[00:01] yeah - just in a feild - bit difficut to find as it was below the crop top [00:02] just spied the chute [00:02] You mean the red handkerchief? :p [00:03] na a 18" spherachuute [00:03] Ah. Much easier to see [00:04] The extra weight cost you a new record ;) [00:04] hate to leave the party early, but only getting occasional decodes now and need some kip [00:04] gn all [00:04] nn [00:04] nn [00:04] My aerial is down now - couldn't get anything from Eurus so I gave up in the end [00:05] gonzo, thanks for listening [00:05] cant hear it on the iom globaltuner - strugglingtokeep it connectedtoo [00:06] no worries [00:06] i've got it here [00:06] the signal comes in phases [00:06] jdtanner_ (~jdtanner@host86-153-107-235.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:07] phuzion (~phuzion@208.43.144.61-static.reverse.softlayer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [00:08] is it just carrier at the moment? [00:08] no [00:08] txing now [00:08] Right, nn all. Need to be up earlyish tomorrow to prepare tomorrow's BBQ. Good luck jcoxon hope it's stays floating and in range well into tomo... today. [00:09] yeah [00:09] :-) [00:09] daveake_ (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [00:09] off globaltuners Im just getting a single tone - but if I change the tune freq, the tones not changing so i guess somethings wrong [00:10] nah that sounds like GT [00:10] i'll keep an eye on it [00:15] Action: jcoxon announes a rollcall of those still awake and tracking... [00:15] Action: SpeedEvil is not tracking. [00:15] :/ [00:15] I need to sell my stamps. [00:16] phuzion (~phuzion@208.43.144.61-static.reverse.softlayer.com) joined #highaltitude. [00:19] pschulz01 (~paul@ubuntu/member/pschulz01) joined #highaltitude. [00:19] awake... but aerial lead wont reach receiver [00:20] I'm hearing Horus26 telemetry... but cannot decode... left my audio cable at home... grrrr. [00:21] [update] darkside: alt 14.8km 3.5m/s vel 88km/h(east) [00:22] VK5ZEY (~pkern@d175-38-233-21.adl801.sa.optusnet.com.au) joined #highaltitude. [00:22] vk2kaw (7caada1d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.170.218.29) joined #highaltitude. [00:22] VK5ZEA:Whereare you? [00:23] can hear dwlinlk on s1 in golden gove sa [00:24] VK5ZEY: Hehe.. ok. If you were in Mildura I might have been able to help you. [00:24] Nick change: pschulz01 -> VK5FPAW-3 [00:26] dwnlink noe at s3 [00:30] Woo Hoo... just had a contact through the cross-band repeater at 24km altitude! [00:30] vk5fmlb (792d3afb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.45.58.251) joined #highaltitude. [00:30] improved yagi position [00:31] still tracking it from suffolk? [00:31] yeah [00:31] amazing [00:31] f6agv is still getting it! [00:32] now thats really amazing [00:32] @vk5fsck: horus 26 is nearly at alt. of 25Km, can hear telemetary but can't decode #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206543474269495296] [00:35] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:36] @jamescoxon: #ukhas Eurus high altitude balloon still floating at 33km! Past Manchester - looking for local radio listeners to help track 434.200Mhz [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/206544452582510593] [00:43] MIchael_VK5ZEA: Cool, I think I heard you. [00:43] better signal now [00:43] still unable to access [00:44] Horus repeater is getting hammered. [00:45] sounds like it [00:45] r2x0t (~r00t@b607.praha.cas.cz) left irc: Quit: r2x0t [00:47] so we send Upu a balloon to track and he is not even there [00:50] Jan- (~IceChat77@109.176.250.39) joined #highaltitude. [00:50] studdentt (628fd5dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.143.213.221) joined #highaltitude. [00:53] I am near Port Lincoln in South Aust. Check for VK5ZEA-8 and VK5ZEA-6 on aprs.fi [00:53] hey all [00:53] just back in 3g range [00:54] I need to find a small 240v inverter that is quieter than the one I am using now... [00:54] Darkside: Balloon tracking OK. starting to get a little noisy here. [00:56] Peter_VK5KX (65ab2a8e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.171.42.142) joined #highaltitude. [00:57] Darkside: Good report from horus repeater [00:57] Wow this is cool [00:57] Action: Jan- knows very little of high altitude balloon experiments and their electronics, but finds it all really awesome! [00:58] jcoxon: nice flight [00:58] Mark, do you have a preference for which balloon I am to track?? [00:58] SamSilver_, still going... [00:58] very strange flight path [00:58] unexpected [00:59] Jan-, you've come to the right place [00:59] doing sharp turns dispite the height [00:59] no wales [00:59] well winds have all been going west [00:59] didn't expect it to go north [00:59] vk3emf (dced69b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.237.105.181) joined #highaltitude. [01:00] I heard about a really cool UK balloon that went almost all the way to Russia before they lost it. [01:00] Now that was cool. [01:00] SamSilver_, coming up to 10hrs [01:00] at 34841m it did a right turn [01:00] It'd be great to get involved with something like that but I suspect my ability to wrangle Rover from The Prisoner is limited :) [01:01] Jan-, you uk based? [01:01] Yup. [01:01] jcoxon: local time 03h00 time for some sleep [01:01] For my sins :) [01:01] nn [01:01] SamSilver_, i;m holding the fort [01:01] k will e back in 1.5 hrs [01:01] where areyou guys? [01:02] south africa [01:02] i launched the balloon that is flying right now [01:02] in the UK [01:02] ohh awesome [01:02] nn 4 sure now [01:02] where did you launch it, and where is it now? [01:02] http://spacenear.us/tracker/ [01:03] Oh, sorry dudes, I can't see pictures. I'm using a screenreader. [01:03] burko (78904a10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.144.74.16) left irc: Quit: Page closed [01:03] oh right, well from Suffolk [01:03] I'm in Essex [01:03] currently its just past manchester [01:03] (though this is a special flight - not normal) [01:03] oh hey I thought they normally went west. [01:04] this one is floating [01:04] did you keep it at low altitude or something [01:04] most just ascend till they burst [01:04] we got it to float at 35km altitude [01:04] Oh. Active altitude control? [01:04] not this one [01:04] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [01:05] by underfilling it gets to a point where it can't burst [01:05] as in the pressure inside = outside [01:05] But if it keeps going west won't it go out over the atlantic in the end? [01:05] uhuh [01:05] :-D [01:05] But you'll lose contact with him! [01:05] this is the first flight of a number [01:06] to perhaps cross the atlantic [01:06] do you guys have real time communication with these balloons? [01:06] can do [01:06] D'you have someone in say newfoundland waiting to see if he makes it all the way over [01:06] Real-time - downlink - usually. [01:06] this one is just downlinking [01:06] like <1 s [01:06] Uplink - only rarely in the UK [01:06] It's more common in the US. [01:06] in Oz right now is doing both [01:06] what does "voice repeater" mean [01:07] SpeedEvil: whats so special in the US for uplink ? [01:07] talk-through repeater [01:07] we are making contacs through it [01:07] its awesome [01:07] so people are using it to get the audio further [01:07] Isn't that a rather expensive bit of hardware to put on a balloon you won't be able to recover? [01:07] we're almost below it atm [01:07] Jan-, this is a different flight [01:07] they are following it [01:07] maybe more land noise-free [01:07] "horus 26/27?" [01:08] Jan-: two balloons in teh air [01:08] we're going after the DARKSIDE balloon [01:08] the other chase team is going after the HORUS balloon [01:08] I'm not sure how this all works [01:08] I've got horus 26/27 [01:08] Jan-: see the cars on the ma? [01:08] eurus [01:08] i'm in the red car [01:09] Michael_VK5ZEA_ (3ba7a33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.167.163.63) joined #highaltitude. [01:09] oh [01:09] I don't see pics, Darkside. [01:09] you're probably seeing the EURUS balloon [01:09] But I get the idea. [01:09] Jan-: look over australia [01:09] MIchael_VK5ZEA (3ba7a33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.167.163.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:09] Just long my 3G connection... back now. [01:09] Darkside, are you planning to float horus? [01:09] not sure if we will be able to get in today [01:09] jcoxon: maybe [01:09] we'd rather it didn't [01:09] but we can cut it down if it does [01:09] burko (78904a10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.144.74.16) joined #highaltitude. [01:09] cut it down? [01:09] ok out of range [01:09] cya [01:10] you mean sever the balloon? [01:10] im in adelaide [01:10] Action: Jan- waves her arms! [01:10] This is so cool! [01:10] Darkside: Need a better labels for the cars.. [01:10] just watching the sat maps [01:10] Balloons floating over australia! People chasing after them! [01:10] *waves back [01:10] Jan-: On kangaroos. [01:11] Well I was trying to avoid any overt taking the piss out of australians. [01:11] i had a feeling considering hte ascent rate [01:11] crt_ (~crt@prevod.fri1.uni-lj.si) joined #highaltitude. [01:11] so those guys launched from where? [01:12] Mildura Victoria [01:12] And they're literally chasing it across the outback in cars? [01:12] Jan-, just trying to think of a way to make this more accessible for you [01:12] Action: Jan- is in awe! [01:12] interesting technical challenge! [01:12] Don't worry about it. It's just fun. [01:12] wow, 33000 meters? [01:12] well it would be useful generally e.g. when driving [01:12] that's over 100,000 feet [01:13] crt (~crt@2001:1470:fffd:10a7:f814:9cdd:878d:ef24) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:14] don't you guys run into trouble with various aviation regulators [01:14] we have permission [01:14] I mean, I wouldn't want to run into a small but sturdily built electronics package in a Cessna 152 [01:14] we have to coordinate with ATC [01:14] "oh dear, I seem to have received someone's science project in the face at 200mph" [01:14] but most of our flight time is above the normal airspace [01:14] well, I guess. [01:14] Not many people at FL1000 [01:15] and if they are they're probably an american spyplane, so stuff 'em :) [01:16] one query though [01:16] 2000 strings for Eurus balloon [01:16] vk5fj (adhoc@50-56-189-236.static.cloud-ips.com) joined #highaltitude. [01:16] if they're out in the middle of australia, how are they even talking to us? [01:16] satphone internet? [01:16] surely there's no 3G out there [01:16] there is patchy 3g [01:16] also people are communicating via the balloon [01:17] Action: Jan- is forced to recalibrate the previous maximum level of her personal coolometer to accomodate the degree of geek that's going on here [01:17] can I ask a rude question: why? :) [01:17] there is plenty of chatter viat he horus repeater [01:17] jcoxon: HAMMERING the balloons repeater more like it. [01:17] VK5FPAW-3: yes [01:18] wonder how much battery it has left ;) [01:18] Jan-, this is purely for fun [01:18] Well I'm enjoying it [01:18] vk5fj: It's going to cut itself down :-) [01:18] and I'm 15000 miles away :D [01:18] Yep, listening to Horus repeater and tracking Darkside balloon :-) [01:18] pushing boundaries of science [01:18] for example the uk floating balloon is defining the predictions [01:18] are all these VK people aussie radio hams [01:18] Jan-, most are [01:19] Peter_VK5KX: you got more than a faint carrier on the data frew? [01:19] Good signal so far [01:19] Jan-: probably [01:19] hi peter kx [01:19] Peter_VK5KX: ok [01:19] Jan-, lots of people who get invovled with this hobby become hams [01:19] Hi Phil [01:19] Jan-: I;ll see if I can upload some photos from the launch for you. [01:20] OK, that's odd, in my world VK stands for "Versuchskonstruktion" [01:20] dont think i will be able to get in today KX? [01:20] Jan-, http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/ [01:21] now i know why you wnet to Truro, lol [01:21] I can Mildura from here, it's very small tho [01:21] Why is this stuff all like 430MHz? [01:22] night [01:22] night F6AGV [01:22] Jan-, in the uk its the only freq we can use [01:22] It's not legal in the UK to use amateur radio freqs to transmit from balloons. [01:22] It has to be 'licence free' freqs. [01:22] Jan-: convenietly small antenna and reasonable bandwidth on that HAM band [01:22] 433, 868, 2.4GHz [01:22] Well that's pish. [01:22] rx in use during night [01:22] F6AGV, get some sleep! [01:22] bye james [01:22] night [01:22] thanks again [01:22] are the guys chasing it in contact now [01:23] or have they gone out of 3G range, someone said? [01:23] not sure [01:23] looks like its just me tracking now :-) [01:23] I can hear contacts on the balloon repeater in Wagga on my handheld [01:23] 'battery: 0v' doesn't sound good [01:24] Wagga is not a real place! [01:24] Holy hell, Wagga is a real place. [01:24] i think its wagga wagga [01:25] teehee [01:25] its moving over 70KM/hr [01:25] Everywhere in Australia seems to be named Murray, Stuart or Darling [01:25] Except those places which are called things like Wagga and Warragul and... and... Didjabringabeeralong. [01:25] Jan-: they are very long rivers ;) [01:25] not everyhere [01:25] Er, rivers, in australia? You mean dry channels full of dust? [01:25] Or are there actual rivers? [01:26] the rivers are full [01:26] Action: Jan- has never been to australia [01:26] we have hat a lot of rain [01:26] I'd love to visit. [01:27] It's just really really far, and there are billions of toxic creatures. [01:27] lots of snakes and spiders :) [01:27] :( [01:27] we manage to survive Jan [01:27] Honestly I'm surprised australians ever make it to adulthood, considering that the place has 1001 ways to kill you. [01:28] its not that bad Jan [01:28] I don't think I'd be comfortable getting off the plane without some sort of environment suit. [01:29] its pretty safe Jan [01:29] Thankyou for the humor Jan, you made my day [01:29] you have toxic SEASHELLS. [01:29] only rock fish [01:29] I mean seriously! Snakes, OK. Spiders, fine. Jellyfish? Well obviously. But seashells?! [01:29] And if the chemical warfare experts don't get you, a crocodile will eat you. [01:29] some jellies are pretty bad [01:30] most are harmeless [01:30] we can see that Jan has not really looked at Aus much yes there is a place called Wagga Wagga as for the critters well we like them [01:30] Box jellyfish! Portugese men o war? [01:30] yes jan [01:30] sounds like the ballon has burst [01:31] Activated cutdown on Horus. [01:31] That's annoying. All those beautiful beaches, and you don't dare go in the water because of being stung, stabbed, spiked, chewed and poisoned to death. [01:31] Oh, cutdown? Is it falling now? [01:31] Yes. Horus 26 on its way down now. [01:32] parachute, or just... gravity? and how long will it take to hit the ground? [01:32] Jan-: There is a small parachuts [01:32] patachute [01:33] I was hoping to make a contact through the Horus26 repeater with the most Eastern station to log in... me being the most West... oh well. [01:33] uhoh. apparently, it looks like it's going to fall in a lake. [01:33] @vk5fsck: horus 26 balloon has bursted #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206558621180493824] [01:33] VK5FPAW-3: so there are two balloons? [01:33] what is the rtty freq for darkside [01:33] 434.650 [01:33] thanks [01:33] @vk5fsck: horus 27 is still up, but looks might have a wet landing though #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206558828282646528] [01:34] does it float? [01:34] do they have a boat? [01:34] Was Horcut or did it burst? [01:34] Horus [01:34] what module do you use for the telecommunication ? [01:34] Jan-: Might need one :-) [01:34] Coming down at 30m/s [01:34] are there favorites? [01:34] studdentt: dl-fldigi for the Rx of the RTTY data [01:35] well hang on [01:35] this is an aussie lake [01:35] does it have any actual water in it? [01:35] studdentt: they buld the radio module, its called uNut [01:35] Jan-: which one? [01:35] Jan-: Hmm.. yeah, that would a fun hoax to pull. [01:35] I'm told it looks like it's going to land in a lake. [01:35] I don't know which one. [01:35] vk5fj: Yes [01:36] vk5fj: Yes - two balloons. [01:36] are the electronics waterproof? [01:36] Jan-: 'sealed' in polystyrene box, so they will float :-) [01:37] Jan-: Polysyrene to keep the heat in so the batteries/electronics don't freeze. [01:37] Action: Jan- proposes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gqT6En2O78 [01:38] @vk5fsck: horus 26 made it to 35470 meters before the balloon burst #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206559854838550528] [01:39] isn't that practically space [01:39] Well - no. [01:39] A thingy at 35km altitude has well under a percent of the energy of something orbiting at 100km [01:39] kx you shold be able to hear me from Truro? [01:39] well there's a difference between "space" and "orbit" [01:39] but the environment is pretty extreme [01:40] steve (79dbe60f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.219.230.15) joined #highaltitude. [01:40] where is this balloon going?!? [01:40] Second balloon has burst. [01:41] burst or intentionally cut [01:41] @vk5fsck: horus 27 made it to 36732 meters before the balloon burst #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/vk5fsck/status/206560622584930305] [01:41] MrScienceMan (~zo@46.47.80.192) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:41] VK5ZEY: Will be driving past there tonight.. is there a repeater around there? [01:42] VK5ZEY: Sorry.. thought you said you were in Truro [01:42] no not me [01:42] im in golden grove [01:42] I'm packing up guys... sorry I wasn't able to upload any telemetry... I certainly could hear it very well... [01:43] how much range do they have? [01:44] the record for the radio we use in the UK is 700km [01:44] I'm in Truro , hehe, What freq ZEY [01:45] vk2ypw (7248ee29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.114.72.238.41) left irc: Quit: Page closed [01:45] 700 kilometers?! Cripes. [01:45] vk3emf (dced69b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.237.105.181) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:46] VK5ZEY: Yeah.. you said that. [01:46] Darkside: Telemetry getting noisy here. [01:47] darkside just faded away in wagga was strong [01:48] jcoxon: the ion drive is faulty [01:48] fsphil! [01:48] what you doing up [01:48] so lake mungo is dry at this time of year? [01:48] steve (79dbe60f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.219.230.15) left irc: Quit: Page closed [01:48] someone's outside shouting [01:48] is it getting noisy because the altitude is reducing? [01:48] Horus is doing 102kph !!!!! [01:48] Jan-: Yes.. and distance [01:48] fsphil, i have no idea where it is going... [01:49] that's really odd ain't it. the winds up there must be completely different [01:49] how far away are you, VK5FPAW-3 [01:49] i'd really like it to not be in this area at burst [01:49] which area [01:50] yea it's a busy spot [01:50] its just over Bolton [01:50] heading towards Liverpool [01:50] Jan-: In Mildura, where the balloon was launched. [01:50] which is how far? [01:50] I woke up expecting it to be over the sea at least [01:50] Jan-: Came back to were the Horus team have been staying. [01:51] jcoxon: you don't really want it to fall in the city, I guess. [01:51] But in the UK that's a bit of a risk no matter what. [01:51] goodness, still being received in france [01:51] that must be some setup [01:52] big directional antenna? [01:52] do you know all the guys who're tracking it, or are they anons? [01:52] they are regulars [01:53] to tell the truth only 3 of us are tracking it [01:53] There tend to be randoms at times. [01:53] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:53] I thought it was about to head out over the ocean? [01:53] This is the UK one we're discussing right [01:53] yeah [01:53] its taking a bit of a unusual route [01:53] that was the plan lol [01:54] still no decodes here [01:54] where are you fsphil? [01:54] Jan-: Just takes an error in one character and the entire tracking packet is not uploaded. [01:54] Action: Jan- proposes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5BJXwNeKsQ [01:54] Jan-: n.ireland [01:54] I notice the altitude's going back up [01:55] Oh. Were you hoping to have it land there? [01:55] fsphil, yeah very slowly [01:55] How do you even control when it lands? [01:55] Jan-: not land, but at least flyby [01:55] Jan-: Balloon maybe 100-120km from here in a straight line. [01:55] I'm in Essex, I guess that'd be way too far to hear it. [01:55] Well, actually. [01:55] 700km? [01:56] there is someone in calais that can hear it [01:56] I can hear it, just not strong enough to decode [01:56] and i can hear it in suffolk [01:56] CALAIS?! In France?! [01:56] yea [01:56] Cripes [01:56] the range of these things is amazing [01:56] If it's over manchester, you're WAY closer than Calais. [01:56] I regurlarly track flights from Cambridge [01:56] Can you command it to parachute down or whatever? [01:57] not this one [01:57] but others yes [01:57] That'd be a nice feature. [01:57] Then you could have it land somewhere reasonably convenient. [01:57] Jan-: The Horus guys have just added that 'feature'. [01:57] Awesome. [01:57] Do you have to, like, warn air traffic control when What Goes Up Must Come Down? [01:58] fsphil, about 90mins till sunrise [01:58] Darkside has come down faster than horus. [01:59] Jan-: I think that they just have to give an indication on the area they will be operating in.. but I don't know any details. [02:00] Darkside at 8kn and I'm still gettinh telemetry. [02:00] The Horus guys put NOTAMS into Flight Services [02:00] NOTAMS = Notice To Airmen [02:01] Hmm. that might be my last correct packet. [02:01] Now at 7km [02:02] do we have a word on whether there's water in the lake [02:02] I'm still RXing teletry on Darkside [02:02] hugly annoying carrier right over the signal [02:03] having one of the fadse [02:03] fades* [02:04] still looking good in yorkshire [02:04] well guys [02:04] I hate to be a part-timer but I have to get some sleep [02:04] Jan-, night [02:04] g'nite Jan-! [02:04] I'll get a bit more sleep myself [02:04] Nice to make your aquaintance Jan, cee you later [02:04] That might be the last packet of data?? [02:05] Wil5on (~Wil5on@compsci.adl/eternalpresident/wil5on) joined #highaltitude. [02:05] Darkside: 1.3k [02:05] Compton (d31ebba1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.30.187.161) joined #highaltitude. [02:05] Just lost contact of Darkside [02:05] Darkside: Maybe. [02:05] Darkside: 5km [02:06] VK5FPAW-3: just as i finally get dl-fldigi working! [02:06] Darkside: 4.8km [02:06] Jan- (~IceChat77@109.176.250.39) left irc: Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER [02:06] vk5fj: :-/ [02:06] Lost at approx 400km [02:07] Compton (d31ebba1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.30.187.161) left irc: Client Quit [02:07] vk5akh_andy (65671c34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.103.28.52) joined #highaltitude. [02:08] wdb (~chatzilla@541AD901.cm-5-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] [02:08] 73s guys... I'm packed up and about to head home... well done... can't wait to see the write up. [02:09] Michael_VK5ZEA_ (3ba7a33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.167.163.63) left irc: Quit: Page closed [02:09] Yep, I'll start to packup soon as well [02:09] Darkside: 3.3km [02:10] vk2kaw (7caada1d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.170.218.29) left irc: Quit: Page closed [02:11] vk5akh_andy (65671c34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.103.28.52) left irc: Client Quit [02:12] vk1kcm (3ba78e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.167.142.95) joined #highaltitude. [02:12] Afternoon All [02:14] WhiteStarMC-43 (~WhiteStar@69.64.6.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:17] Lost all signal :-( Must be down :-) [02:18] VK3SL (3aaff095@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.175.240.149) joined #highaltitude. [02:18] Bye people, I'm outa here [02:19] Peter_VK5KX (65ab2a8e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.171.42.142) left irc: Quit: Page closed [02:19] Mt Ginini, vk1rgi saw it until about 38,000 ft [02:19] sorry, 31,818 ft [02:22] bye [02:22] vk1kcm (3ba78e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.167.142.95) left irc: [02:22] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [02:25] burko (78904a10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.144.74.16) left irc: Quit: Page closed [02:28] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:29] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) joined #highaltitude. [02:30] Thommmo (79dbfd73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.219.253.115) joined #highaltitude. 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[04:55] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Disconnected by services [05:01] DO1SEC (~do1sec@p4FFE0314.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [05:03] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:05] Eurus is still there [05:06] having trouble decoding it [05:07] -4.8 degrees [05:07] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude. [05:07] that could be the prob fsphil [05:07] last decode was a while ago [05:07] longitude [05:07] brb [05:07] I need the yagi [05:07] SamSilver (2985f56c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.245.108) left irc: Quit: Page closed [05:08] it's very weak [05:08] 35km alt [05:09] SamSilver (2985f56c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.245.108) joined #highaltitude. [05:09] 534587506,-41143003 [05:10] got one [05:11] we need GW8RAK :) [05:11] just of the coast of north wales [05:11] heathkid|3 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude. 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[05:22] Received email: Philip Heron "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Eurus 1 Launch 26/5/12 1600 BST (GMT+1)" [05:22] difficult one to track this [05:23] needs constant adjustment [05:25] heathkid|3 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:26] tcom (96656524@gateway/web/freenode/ip.150.101.101.36) left irc: Quit: Page closed [05:26] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Disconnected by services [05:26] heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude. [05:31] f5ct (5a3310ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.51.16.236) joined #highaltitude. [05:31] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [05:31] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude. [05:34] heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:34] Wil5on (~Wil5on@compsci.adl/eternalpresident/wil5on) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:37] good lord i am tired [05:37] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Disconnected by services [05:37] heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude. [05:38] know the feeling :) [05:38] how'd it go? [05:38] @darksidelemm: Horus 26 and 27 both recovered, after a long and tiring chase... #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/206620414787596288] [05:38] there we go :) [05:38] well the chase cars split up [05:39] the proper 4wd got the easy ballooon in teh end [05:39] we (in a Rav4) had to go through some horrible tracks to get to the balloon [05:39] payload* [05:39] didn't need to use the cutdown in the end, balloons burst anyway [05:41] f5ct (5a3310ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.51.16.236) left irc: Quit: Page closed [05:41] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid [05:43] F6AGV, how are you managing this :) [05:46] DrLuke (~Im@p5792715F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:49] heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) joined #highaltitude. [05:49] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Disconnected by services [05:50] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid [05:50] DrLuke (~Im@p5481D4FA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [05:52] heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) left irc: Client Quit [05:54] VK5FPAW-3 (~paul@ubuntu/member/pschulz01) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:54] rajclark (~tony@ppp236-180.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: rajclark [05:56] anyone want to try the Isle of Man global tuners radio? [06:00] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:01] morning all [06:02] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:02] morning F6AGV [06:03] http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.fr/2012/05/ballons-xaben-et-eurus-du-26-mai-2012.html [06:04] this may be the oddest flight path ever [06:04] my antenna inside home ! [06:04] wow [06:05] I'm struggling to decode with a colinear on the roof [06:06] inclination of 45 degrees ! [06:07] signal is very weak [06:07] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) joined #highaltitude. [06:07] it is [06:11] is 2I0VIM on air ? [06:13] that is me :) [06:14] you receive well ? [06:14] no, it's too weak. although I just decoded one [06:16] JFS1 (56a6ad10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.166.173.16) joined #highaltitude. [06:16] yeah , here sometimes a frame is good, and I have a local QRM [06:17] Morning all. Hard to say which is more amazing - the flight of Eurus or commitment of overnight trackers. [06:18] again a good frame for me [06:18] wow ! [06:19] fantastic F6AGV [06:20] F6AGV: what is the range? [06:20] yeah it's very hard my friend ! [06:20] range ? what ? [06:21] rajclark (~tony@ppp236-180.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [06:21] WF -20 70 x1 FAST [06:22] DO1SEC (~do1sec@p4FFE0314.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:23] rajclark (~tony@ppp236-180.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:23] 465 Shift receive filter 222 [06:31] what is the range ? [06:31] the distance between the balloon and you [06:31] good morning, habbers! [06:32] wow perhaps 750 km ? [06:32] nice to see Eurus still floating [06:35] MY location is 50.8650N and 1.8670E and the balloon is 53.720N -4.588W range IS ??? [06:36] there are calculators for distance online [06:37] http://boulter.com/gps/distance/ [06:38] that one gives me 367.89 km [06:38] 542.70 kilometers [06:38] hmm.. [06:39] yeah [06:39] take out the - from the -4.588W [06:42] now 558.54 km [06:42] anyone got a sunrise calculation for eurus [06:42] will be about 29 mins before sea level sun up [06:43] the sun is definitely up there [06:43] it's daylight here [06:43] has been for a few hours [06:43] well, an hour [06:44] horizon is done by 4.1 square H ex d = 4.1 square 34 = ? [06:44] 4.1 square 34000 sorry [06:45] gonzo__ (~gonzo@109.104.96.45) joined #highaltitude. [06:45] gonzo_ (~gonzo@109.104.96.45) left irc: Read error: No route to host [06:48] answer is horizon of Eurus 756 km [06:49] fsphil: hey phil - wow dedication! [06:49] what frequency is it on? [06:49] 434.197.500 [06:50] im trying the isle of man gt [06:50] I didn't track it most of the night :) [06:50] 434.19733 here [06:51] gonzo_ (~gonzo@109.104.96.45) joined #highaltitude. [06:52] gonzo__ (~gonzo@109.104.96.45) left irc: Read error: No route to host [06:52] shame about this signal [06:52] Eurus horizon is 767 km [06:53] signal here is not good for the moment [06:53] it's better here, but still getting bad characters [06:53] balloon is going to Belfast ? [06:54] seems to be [06:54] but the track is very unpredictable [06:54] yeah me too [06:54] vk5fj (adhoc@50-56-189-236.static.cloud-ips.com) left #highaltitude. [06:54] I'm definitely going to invest in a yagi on the roof [06:55] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:55] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:56] morning jcoxon [06:56] altitude increase and the burst is for a short time ? [06:56] morning jcoxon [06:56] hey [06:56] ah, decode [06:56] burst? [06:56] not yet [06:56] nope [06:56] morning James [06:56] morning [06:56] it's pushing the max altitude up though [06:56] the iom gt is a bit deaf - i can only just hear eurus in the noise [06:56] what a flight [06:57] I have some points this morning : 558 km ! [06:57] :-) [06:57] once its passed IoM it'll work better [06:57] thats my experience [06:57] there is a not unresnable chance this will land near me [06:58] i've decided it went on a tour of british cities [06:58] lol [06:58] it's the oddest flight path I've seen [06:58] fsphil - Not often you get called on to do a recovery as well as tracking [06:59] just as long as it wails until later, I'll be in the office all morning [06:59] nice battery voltage [07:00] yea at least we don't have that to worry about [07:00] I'm gonna fire an email to the local clubs [07:01] see if they can help [07:01] @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon still in the air floating at 35km, Irish Sea, http://t.co/pAOVgOdv calling Irish radio listeners #ukhas #hamr #arhab [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/206641264567910400] [07:02] next on a tour is Belfast [07:02] our* [07:02] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [07:03] @tenbus_uk: RT @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon still in the air floating at 35km, Irish Sea, http://t.co/pAOVgOdv calling Irish radio listeners ... [http://twitter.com/tenbus_uk/status/206641708941836288] [07:03] Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Eurus 1 Launch 26/5/12 1600 BST (GMT+1)" [07:05] That thing does have an affinity for airports ... East Midlands, Manchester, Liverpool .... Belfast next :) [07:05] If it manages Belfast City and International that'll be impressive :) [07:05] looking at the (perhaps useless) wind maps the isobar traj will actually be quite close to Iceland [07:06] there are just too many airports - we should get rid of some [07:07] jcoxon: yes that does seem to be the overall trend [07:07] which is good for coverage :-) [07:08] that GT wasn't as noise at night [07:08] There are three large airports here [07:08] bet it visits all of them :) [07:08] Extra airmiles if it does [07:08] it's right on the edge of decodability -- getting most of the string [07:08] but not enough [07:08] alt? [07:09] 35.3 [07:09] it comes in waves i find [07:09] yea [07:09] suddenly its great for a few strings [07:09] the upper frequency is right over the local qrm carriers [07:09] well done james - very impressive [07:10] navrac, wasn't really as planned [07:10] but we've learnt some important lessons [07:10] Radio Power 4 .... that means it switched up correctly? [07:10] no thats still 10mW [07:10] oh, planned or bug? [07:10] power 7 will be 100mW [07:10] well no the direction - but you planned to mske it float and keep txing for hours - it is doing both... [07:11] daveake, it won't activate until further from the UK [07:11] ah ok [07:11] that said it will activate over NI (oops) [07:11] 35.29 km [07:11] i wasn't expecting it to go this way [07:11] lol [07:11] ah lol [07:11] I won't tell anyone [07:11] interesting if it makes a difference [07:12] it will to the internal temperature :) [07:12] correction, 35.329 [07:12] 35343 [07:12] still going up [07:13] eek [07:13] hmm [07:13] 353 [07:13] we need more stations! [07:13] interesting - you'd presume it would have lost He overnight [07:13] 357 [07:13] slowing [07:13] 353 [07:13] descending [07:13] upu radio getting anything? [07:13] decode [07:14] Wil5on (~Wil5on@compsci.adl/eternalpresident/wil5on) joined #highaltitude. [07:14] trace on the waterfall only [07:14] this is all your flight now [07:14] Action: jcoxon hands over mission control to forward base [07:14] in saying that there's still recognisable test [07:14] text [07:14] @PD3EM: RT @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon still in the air floating at 35km, Irish Sea, http://t.co/pAOVgOdv calling Irish radio listeners ... [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/206644523043004416] [07:14] more decodes [07:15] i guess if you had control you'd vent a bit to drop out of the burst danger zone [07:16] yea [07:17] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:18] F5APQ! [07:18] I know !!! [07:18] How TF? [07:19] Woowoo is strong in France [07:19] Globaltuner? [07:19] crappy [07:19] at least the iom one [07:19] fsphil, what string count are we on? [07:19] shame [07:20] 3119 [07:20] hehe [07:20] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) joined #highaltitude. [07:20] good series of decodes now [07:20] hey [07:20] its still freaking going [07:20] what the hell [07:20] RocketBoy: Did yesterday's flight use the same tracker as last week's? [07:21] na a new one [07:21] hey Darkside [07:21] Understandable :) [07:21] XABEN-25 is still in a tree [07:21] Oh of course. Silyl me [07:22] I won't be flying mine again unless I find something broke on it and fix it [07:22] sometimes they need to be retired [07:23] JFS1 (56a6ad10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.166.173.16) left irc: Quit: Page closed [07:23] I need to check over the logs to see if my problem repeated - but i don't think so [07:23] jcoxon: Indeed. Mine played up on its first flight despite being a copy of previous trackers [07:23] you have the benefit of being able to test the thing that actually failed [07:24] not all rfm22b are the same [07:24] some are more equal than others [07:24] so we've had a 12hr float now [07:24] breakfast time [07:24] ooo another listener [07:24] Well I do suspect that one, as it stopped Txing altogether then restarted. My Arduino code can't make that happen. [07:25] G0MJW doing better than I am [07:25] signal has gotten weaker here [07:25] Everyone did better than me [07:25] G0MJW (d598206c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.152.32.108) joined #highaltitude. [07:26] virtually gone on upu's radio, closing down that [07:26] Back soon need to fire up the barbie [07:26] frequency dropping quickly [07:26] hiya G0MJW [07:26] Good morning. [07:27] you're getting better decodes than I am atm :) [07:30] hey G0MJW, thanks for listening! [07:30] I am nearer than you are fsphil - or has it crossed the sea now [07:31] it's over the isle of man [07:31] actually passed that now [07:32] Hey - it took a loop round winter hill [07:32] it seems to be that forward null [07:32] You need to beam at it. [07:33] no yagi on the roof :/ [07:33] which I'm definitely doing now [07:33] although who knows if this will ever happen again :) [07:33] would still be useful [07:33] i'll try... [07:33] gonzo_ (~gonzo@109.104.96.45) left irc: Read error: No route to host [07:34] gonzo_ (~gonzo@109.104.96.45) joined #highaltitude. [07:34] very weak now [07:34] bit wobbly too [07:34] Always useful to have a yagi. For a start you will be popular in the UKAC. [07:34] 35300m [07:35] UKAC on 70cm is a lost cause where I live :) [07:35] fsphil, its heading straight for you [07:36] You might be surprised. We worked 50 in the contest last month in an hour after our club meeting. [07:36] I know! Wish I could track this from the big hill [07:37] G0MJW, I've only ever heard 1 station. and he couldn't hear me :) [07:37] Thatis because you don't have a beam... back to the beginning. [07:37] Eurus starting to show up on my yagi in the attic [07:37] my friend Jack make a point at 588.37 km from the ballon ! [07:38] sweet! [07:38] his call F5APQ at 53.9944N and -5.021888W from balloon position [07:38] I think I've only got points on the 2m contest so far [07:38] I am not getting 100% decodes. [07:38] it's faded considerably here [07:39] actually stronger on the yagi than the colinear [07:39] the yagi is pointing the opposite way [07:40] yeah i hope landing in Belfast, no comand to get a burst aboard ? [07:40] still not enough to decode [07:40] no uplink F6AGV [07:40] and no cut-down [07:40] its going at 36kph currently [07:40] the last straight section of the path [07:41] I doubt I'd be able to get to Belfast today, it'll need to land a bit closer [07:41] It is going to take a long time to get to Canada at that rate. [07:42] and is currently 38km from the coast [07:42] G0MJW, yeah in future we'll need to float a bit lower i think [07:42] coming back a bit on the colinear [07:42] it nearly disappeared [07:43] Every now and then there is a burst of QRM and I lose a bit of a sentence [07:43] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) joined #highaltitude. [07:43] andrew_apex (~androirc@188-220-169-100.zone11.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [07:43] andrew_apex (~androirc@188-220-169-100.zone11.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [07:44] F5APQ (56d7a0a8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.215.160.168) joined #highaltitude. [07:45] gone again [07:45] can only see the idle signal [07:46] and back [07:46] going up [07:47] fsphil when it is weak with me it is strong with you. Must be the antenna pattern. [07:47] 35712 [07:47] yea we noticed that stations behind the direction of the payload could decode better G0MJW [07:48] there seems to be a big null [07:48] it's gone here again [07:48] gonna get breakfast, then gotta head into the office. will track remotely [07:49] Probably geography - after all it is downhill to the South. [07:50] got a decode [07:50] its funny - i look forward to negative rates [07:50] usually its the oppoiste [07:50] F5APQ doing fantastic [07:51] certainly propagation good [07:51] dial freq? [07:52] 434.198 [07:52] adam_ (7caa5305@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.170.83.5) joined #highaltitude. [07:52] 434.199 [07:53] no Jack receive well with horizontal antenna ! [07:53] yes F5APQ is a king ! [07:54] Upuiphone (~Upuiphone@83-244-221-36.cust-83.exponential-e.net) joined #highaltitude. [07:54] morning all Eurus still up ? [07:54] number10 (4d6b9d0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.107.157.10) joined #highaltitude. [07:54] my receive is out here [07:55] morning [07:55] Upuiphone, yu [07:55] yup [07:55] nice on jcoxon where is it ? [07:55] Belfast landing ? [07:56] 30km from NI [07:56] still floating ? [07:56] yup [07:56] 35km [07:56] can hear it here in lakes.. [07:57] dont have decent antenna [07:57] thats great so is it predicted to keep going or likely to curve round and come back ? [07:58] its defied predictions [07:58] so who knows [07:58] lucky to hear it there with all the hills number10 [07:58] lol ok [07:58] what is envelope type 1200 g or 1600 g ? [07:58] 1600g [07:58] lost a bit of alt :-) [07:58] keeping fsphil busy today [07:58] and last night [07:58] yea thanks and burst altitude ? [07:58] we were tracking quite late [07:58] F6AGV, difficult to say [07:59] OK [07:59] perhaps 38km ? [07:59] Envelope colour? [07:59] cream/white [07:59] yeah altitude is increasing [07:59] F6AGV, it goes up and down in waves [07:59] pink envelope ! [07:59] Upuiphone (~Upuiphone@83-244-221-36.cust-83.exponential-e.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:59] So not much solar input [08:00] Upuiphone (~Upuiphone@83-244-221-36.cust-83.exponential-e.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:00] ooo i'm getting decode from GT [08:00] where is rhe gr ? [08:00] gt [08:01] IoM [08:01] a receiver aboard for burst comand will be usefull no ? [08:01] ok is my station still getting it or is fsphil just using his now [08:02] F6AGV, we don't want it to burst [08:02] to keep on going [08:02] Upuiphone, not so good right now, not getting a good signal [08:02] fsphil, is on his [08:02] yeah its my blind spot that [08:03] James we had an order command on a solar balloon , very good experiment [08:04] a decode! [08:05] see if it can do another day in the sun , whats estimated battery life ? [08:05] 70+hrs [08:05] number10 (4d6b9d0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.107.157.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:07] probably run out of recievers before then ! [08:08] Upuiphone: I'm logged out [08:08] signal is still there but very weak [08:08] hey fsphil no probs [08:08] cuddykid (~acudworth@128.243.253.217) joined #highaltitude. [08:08] yeah as we found out thats my blind spot [08:08] Upuiphone: but yea I'm totally doing that yagi plan :) [08:09] and the balloons blind spot [08:09] brilliant! Great to see Eurus still floating :D [08:09] not back still 2100 so feel free to keep checking if your not all ballooned out [08:10] till [08:10] Is there a crystal heater? [08:10] with DTMF codes two codes send to the solar balloon at 30 km ! [08:10] yay a decode [08:10] right best get a shower great news its still up bbl [08:10] Decode on IoM globaltuner! [08:11] @adamcudworth: RT @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon still in the air floating at 35km, Irish Sea, http://t.co/pAOVgOdv calling Irish radio listeners ... [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/206658829444845568] [08:11] Upuiphone (~Upuiphone@83-244-221-36.cust-83.exponential-e.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:11] reversal the solar balloon and he fall ! [08:12] number10 (4d6b9d0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.107.157.10) joined #highaltitude. [08:13] but we have hot resistor for cutting wire between balloon and payload ! [08:13] OK James ? [08:13] F6AGV, that works well [08:13] also on helium balloon [08:13] but we want to see how long it stays floating for [08:14] Yes very good system [08:14] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host-78-147-77-27.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:14] jcoxon: how long left on the batts do you reckon? [08:14] ages [08:14] they'll cut out at 3.2v [08:15] great [08:15] BRAQ operate resistor system also quite good to falling the payload when time you want by order radio command from earth to balloon [08:16] new experiment to you ? [08:17] did u have to get clearence to launch the baloon? [08:17] yes [08:18] how do u go about getting that just call atc? [08:18] adam_: contact CAA 28days in advance [08:18] RocketBoy EURUS is your baby ? [08:18] at least 28 days :-) [08:18] cool thanks for the info [08:18] what is on the baloon? [08:18] yeah, what jcoxon said :) [08:18] well its jcoxon's eectronics [08:19] but I supplied the balloon and helium and helped with the launch [08:19] oh and the parachute [08:19] RocketBoy, i'd say we are a team [08:19] OK fine great [08:19] yea a good team [08:19] yep [08:20] morning [08:20] good fun launching [08:20] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:20] i think Upu had a big magnet [08:20] and pulled it north [08:21] hence the blip [08:21] this is amazing jcoxon [08:21] :D [08:21] how many hours has it been now? [08:21] weirdest path ever [08:21] hehe - so much delay when loading spacenear.us [08:21] yeah lol [08:21] so up since 1600 yesterday [08:21] http://spacenear.us/tracker/index.php?filter=eurus [08:22] filter it [08:22] good idea [08:22] 17 hours [08:22] :D [08:22] DO1SEC (~do1sec@p4FFE0314.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #highaltitude. [08:22] funny this is exactly it [08:22] i might turn off the predictor [08:22] not really helping [08:23] yeah can do [08:23] i only did it for xaben really [08:23] wdb (~chatzilla@541AD901.cm-5-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #highaltitude. [08:24] Is there a new algorithm generating the blue circle? [08:25] i dont think so G0MJW, why do you ask> [08:26] Just wondered. It looks suspiciously like twice the green one. [08:26] G8GTZ (56ad2507@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.173.37.7) joined #highaltitude. [08:26] AndI thought you were going to correct it to account for lap distortions [08:26] G8GTZ (56ad2507@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.173.37.7) left irc: Client Quit [08:27] i think its quite a simple algorithm [08:28] Thanks for nice night and good sunday all [08:29] I must quit the chat bye [08:29] bye [08:30] relocated to the office [08:30] bye James glad to see you next balloon fine job to your team ! [08:30] navrac_ (~navrac@84.92.14.5) joined #highaltitude. [08:30] F6AGV (58b5ed2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.181.237.46) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:31] aggh, managed to get the aerial to reach the receiver - but annoyingluy too weak to decode [08:31] it's gotten quite weak here again too [08:31] it comes and goes [08:32] seems to be a fair bit of drift for a float [08:32] it was very stable last night [08:33] pushing upwards [08:33] yea [08:33] Sometimes I get valid decodes that don't make it to the tracker [08:33] can the predictor be setup to show where it would land if it burst right now? [08:33] it's turning more west now [08:33] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host-78-147-77-27.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] [08:33] G0MJW, if there is no gps lock it just saves them [08:34] A - that will be teh3 [08:34] the 3 [08:34] yeah [08:35] goodness, F5APQ still receiving it [08:35] ooh show off! [08:35] just partial strings here [08:35] The UpuForce is strong with him [08:36] he has much woo woo [08:36] worringly high [08:36] ah, got a decode [08:36] number10 (4d6b9d0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.107.157.10) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:36] getting stronger, but below the local qrm which bursts over it mid string [08:36] Sl last on GPS was 0. [08:37] not so much busrty noise here, just those annoying carriers [08:37] Broliv (~Broliv@2.26.22.185) joined #highaltitude. [08:37] which I think are coming from my ethernet cables [08:37] Morning guys [08:37] And zero again. [08:37] hiya Broliv [08:37] I get bursts every 5 seconds from two adjacent frequencies about 50k wide signals [08:37] signal on the yagi getting stronger [08:37] despite pointing west :) [08:38] Why would someone in Ireland point west? [08:39] I expected it to have travelled past me overnight [08:39] Ah. I see. [08:39] heading almost directly west now [08:39] guess it's not going overhead here [08:40] those carriers are interfering again [08:40] It does not seem to be going anywhere at the moment. [08:40] the bump in the night was odd [08:40] aggh so close to a decode its frustrating [08:41] go down a bit silly balloon [08:41] jcoxon - how have you managed to get to the IoM so quickly? [08:42] Is that a remote receiver? [08:42] yeh [08:42] and not very good one as well [08:42] its well deaf [08:43] this ascent rate might be the end of the balloon [08:43] yea, it's picking up [08:43] I won't be able to track it to the ground at this distance [08:44] going down a bit [08:45] gonzo-mob (~gonzo-mob@31.88.216.43) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:45] gonzo-mob (~gonzo-mob@31.88.216.43) joined #highaltitude. [08:46] I just popped the mast down and put it back up to get another 6 inches or so to clear the house better and the signals weaker. I hate RF sometimes [08:47] might not be anything you did [08:47] the signal strengh is hugly variable [08:47] yep - probably [08:47] I'm going from decodes to no trace on the waterfall [08:48] i was getting that yesterday [08:48] I seem to just pick up more local qrm instead [08:49] gone again [08:50] and back [08:51] F5APQ: you must have an amazing antenna setup [08:52] yes. we must see pictures :) [08:52] fsphil: Upu not picking it up any more? [08:53] I've logged out of his station, it hasn't got a string in a few hours [08:53] must check again [08:53] that's surprising [08:53] it's normally excellent [08:53] hardware issue? [08:54] geography I think [08:54] he has a blind spot to the west [08:54] ah i see [08:54] Only vezry old 21el from Tonna Horizontal abt 15m asl [08:55] yea the signal is on the waterfall but only just [08:56] fsphil: dial? [08:56] jcoxon: what's the condition for the radio change? [08:56] 434.197.500 [08:56] ta [08:56] -6.0 [08:56] 434.197.6 [08:57] not too long to go then [08:57] oh gt is 434198500 [08:57] nothing on the apexhab tracker, unsurprisingly [08:57] absolutely epic flight, great work jcoxon [08:57] its creeping up [08:57] No doubt we'll see the battery drop by a few microvolts when it switches :p [08:57] Elmar_PD3EM (~Elmar_PD3@ip4da77145.direct-adsl.nl) joined #highaltitude. [08:58] yep certainly is a great flight - although I think its going to cost me money - I now have to upgrade my radio gear [08:58] daveake: just as well it's so precise [08:59] i think the payload antenna is a big isue [08:59] going to get RocketBoy to make the next one... [08:59] there's certainly something different [09:00] navrac_: yea I feel a spend coming on too :) [09:00] I've looked and with some new brackets and a bit of welding I think I can get another 3m on the mast height.. [09:01] and I've ordered the preamp kit [09:02] fldigi is quite confused by the lack of decimal point in the lat/long [09:03] yea [09:03] the "distance" field is a rather large number [09:03] oh, the signal at upuradio has actually improved [09:03] i'll fix that at some point [09:03] still not decoding though [09:04] pretty sure it's not 59e9 km away [09:04] would explain the weak signal [09:04] true [09:04] i hate this raspberry, suddenly I've got just 128/256MB ram [09:04] marshab [09:05] G0MJW (d598206c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.152.32.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:05] it makes the split on 128/128MB [09:05] fsphil: it would take the signal 2.3 days to reach us at that distance [09:05] also the chase car fuel expenses would be prohibitive [09:06] only the first 100km anyway [09:06] the rest would be free [09:06] haha [09:06] hmmm no data [09:06] signal is very weak here [09:06] doesn't look like a burst [09:06] come on, get to -6 lon [09:06] still steady [09:07] G0MJW is doing really well [09:08] coming back a bit [09:08] UURUS [09:08] silly qrm [09:08] grrr [09:09] time for 2i0vim to wake up [09:09] G0MJW (d598206c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.152.32.108) joined #highaltitude. [09:09] he is [09:09] sorta [09:09] noo don't turn north [09:09] Transmitting on 80m took out the ADSL [09:09] d'oh [09:09] G0MJW: lol [09:09] oops [09:09] nice signal again but that carrier [09:09] AMSAT UK Net. [09:10] I'm gonna have to change to shielded cat5 cables [09:10] G0MJW, know others who might like to track [09:10] it just loves cities [09:10] lol [09:10] north again [09:11] are there contact details on it jcoxon? [09:11] yup [09:11] averaging over the last 30 mins it should reach -6 in 55 minutes [09:12] but it's turning north a bit [09:12] as long as it doesn't start going east [09:12] yeah [09:12] jcoxon - ask at the next AMSAT? [09:12] :-) [09:12] it seems to be drawing a dolphin [09:13] or a shark in a wave [09:13] actually there was a talk a few years ago iirc [09:13] fsphil: haha [09:13] Talk by some reprobates from Cambridge? [09:13] like a dolphin entering the sea from a jump [09:13] thats the ones [09:14] Hmm. I wonder where they are now? Will lose internet soon again. [09:15] jcoxon: what units is the radio power field in? [09:15] Picowatts I think. [09:15] :P [09:16] its the setting [09:16] 0x04 is 10mW [09:17] 0x07 is 100mW [09:17] ah okay [09:17] cool [09:17] the antenna makes it pico though :) [09:17] hehe [09:17] what is the antenna? [09:17] too high, come down a bit [09:17] gra [09:17] 1/4 wave 2 radials [09:17] on the side [09:17] that might be the issue [09:18] mm, hard to know really [09:18] Two radials? Why not 3 or 4? [09:18] No wonder it is non-omni. [09:18] 2 has worked well before [09:18] but i'm going back to 4 [09:18] yeah quite a few flights have used two [09:18] junderwood (~John@host86-182-39-47.range86-182.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:20] if you do another one can i send you a tiny payload using a jpole to sling underneath to compare? [09:20] Rob_m0dts (57c262d3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.98.211) joined #highaltitude. [09:20] wasps are so stupid. [09:20] yes [09:20] yes they are [09:21] got three stations running here, shame I can't combine them somehow [09:22] setup an array of yagis, each one with an rtl-sdr [09:22] f5ct (5a331288@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.51.18.136) joined #highaltitude. [09:22] would still work out cheaper than a phasing harness [09:22] fsphil: yeah [09:22] G0MJW (d598206c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.152.32.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:22] 36km altitude [09:22] i was wondering if you do the rtty demodulation in gnuradio [09:22] *you could do [09:23] ooh you're receiving it Rob_m0dts [09:23] then you just spawn a new decoder for each payload in the band [09:23] yep [09:23] that would be neat [09:23] then have a python script or something to get the decoded data from gnuradio via xmlrpc or something, and send it to habitat [09:23] have it controlled by the data from habhub [09:24] JFS1 (56a6ad10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.166.173.16) joined #highaltitude. [09:24] you could make a habitat module for gnuradio [09:24] it's all python anyway [09:24] i was thinking that [09:24] that'd be really neat [09:24] i think the main stumbling block is the rtty decoder [09:25] I've lost the signal on the colinear [09:25] oh there it is [09:25] :) [09:26] gnuradio seems to have all the bits necessary [09:26] fsphil: https://github.com/bistromath/gr-rtty [09:26] g0mjw (d598206c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.152.32.108) joined #highaltitude. [09:26] Elmar_garden (~Elmar_PD3@ip4da77145.direct-adsl.nl) joined #highaltitude. [09:27] ooh [09:27] Er? [09:27] aah [09:27] just admiring some rtty code [09:27] just got up, nice to see EURUS still floating [09:28] Hi Rob. Good signal? [09:28] at the moment it's like hadie:2 in reverse [09:28] haha [09:28] signal is fair but way above beamwidth of my antenna [09:28] f5ct (5a331288@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.51.18.136) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:29] gone again here [09:29] not even the idle carrier is visible [09:29] I need to work on my antenna [09:29] i like his github name [09:30] github sounds like an old-persons dating website [09:30] haha [09:30] ha [09:30] It is isn't it? [09:31] Worse is having to git clone. [09:31] git pull is worse [09:32] now you mention it.. git checkout [09:33] got a signal in suffolk [09:33] signal in yorkshire has been improving [09:33] pretty bad here [09:34] You know this is where RS coding would help. I keep getting burts errors due to QRM [09:34] convolution coding or something similar would be more useful for this, where the string length is variable [09:35] just use puncturing [09:35] Convolutional coding is not so good with burst errors. [09:36] interesting [09:36] Making all the strings fixed length isn't so bad either! [09:36] that won't happen :) [09:37] everyone puts someting different in there [09:37] yeah that'd be too restrictive [09:37] also unnecessary really [09:37] heading west again [09:37] Why? I don't mean same length for different flights. Just all the same for a flight [09:38] oh i see [09:38] i don't think it'd be a huge advantage still [09:39] Yes it would. I get 99% of the striing, lose 1 or two characters at most. [09:39] e.g. $$EURUS,35d4,0919,541846270,-57340638,36131,10,3,917,6,4*C3C7 would be correctable. [09:39] wouldn't convolution coding be just as good as handling that as RS codes? [09:39] yeah, the way to fix that is with FEC [09:40] g0mjw, i think for the UK normal flights strength in numbers is the approach [09:40] The advantage of RS codes is the parity could be at the end of the packet. That means the data would be still readable without decoding. [09:40] that is true [09:41] But you are talking about going long range aren't you? [09:41] we are but we know our limits [09:41] looking at alternatives for further away [09:42] decoding isn't usually this much of an issue [09:42] no its my fault :-) [09:42] :) [09:42] the usual point at which things break is the horizon [09:42] at which point FEC/RS etc might get you one or two more strings [09:43] but really there's nothing you can do once it's over the horizon [09:43] I think most people have trouble with burst signals causing interference rather than weak signals. [09:43] yeah, it does happen, but usually not so much that nothing is decoded for long periods [09:44] also the upper end of 434 appears to be better for QRM [09:44] Wait until PT really takes off. [09:44] anyway, bbl [09:44] PLT [09:44] fsphil, its drawing the tail of the dolphin [09:44] hah [09:44] that's one heck of a big art attack [09:46] if it burst now I think it would make land [09:46] Newcastle [09:47] not to be confused with Newcastle [09:47] at this rate another ~30mins until radio power is cranked up [09:48] ah we are in power saving mode.. any idea what power? [09:48] 10mw [09:48] Rob_m0dts, bad antenna [09:48] ah ok [09:49] but yea, wet string :) [09:49] ooh got a string [09:49] ~S3 here.. reasonable but would expect S9 normally. [09:49] first in ages [09:50] Very weak here now. [09:52] And the burst interference is much more frequent [09:53] yagi is starting to decode text [09:53] colinear still doing better though [09:53] clever yagi [09:53] yes, it got good grades at school [09:53] Landfall [09:53] nick_ (~nick_@client-80-5-31-180.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) joined #highaltitude. [09:53] :-) [09:54] Morning all [09:54] Mine only got as far as elementary school [09:54] Morning Nick [09:54] haha daveake [09:55] it didn't gain enough qualifications? [09:55] lol [09:55] How did yesterday's launch go? [09:55] dammit I knew there was another joke there somewhere :) [09:55] it's still going lol [09:55] nick_, just made land over N.Ireland [09:55] a first I think [09:55] Did anyone find it? [09:55] it's still in the air [09:56] the other launch yesterday, xaben, was recovered [09:56] eurus is still flying [09:56] Don't the winds usually go the other way? [09:56] they do indeed [09:57] -5.9 lon [09:57] signal very weak here again [09:58] Stronger here fsphil [09:58] aye. definitely directional [09:59] i get deep fades now and again [09:59] I could probably see this thing now [10:00] could do with a tracking telescope! [10:01] g4dpz (5cee118b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.238.17.139) joined #highaltitude. [10:02] Dutch-Mill (3e2da838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.45.168.56) joined #highaltitude. [10:03] -5.97 [10:03] so I guess high power mode now is really just normal power mode [10:04] How did they design it to float? [10:04] the balloon was underfilled [10:04] it had only enough lift to ascend [10:04] Light payload? [10:04] but not enough to get high enough to burst [10:04] I think so, but it would work with a heavier payload too [10:04] The balloon stretches elastically, then it acts a bit rigid just before it bursts. [10:05] just to warn [10:05] adam_ (7caa5305@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.170.83.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:05] This rigidity - to an approximation - requires some excess lift to 'get past' and burst the balloon. [10:05] the code might not work... [10:05] any second now :P [10:05] this could blow up jcoxon? :) [10:06] Otherwise what happens is the rigidity is enough to compress the fill gas so there is no lift [10:06] And it hovers [10:06] same strength [10:06] :S [10:06] at least I'll be out of the null soon [10:07] give it a chance [10:07] if it works it'll switch on string 3641 [10:07] well after 3640 [10:07] ah yes [10:07] the alternating thing [10:08] big if though [10:08] r2x0t (~r00t@b607.praha.cas.cz) joined #highaltitude. [10:09] yup [10:09] wow [10:09] drifty [10:09] there it goes [10:09] hmm gone? [10:09] oh no [10:10] transmission ending ? [10:10] i've lost signal [10:10] Where did it go? [10:10] power up now? [10:10] it switched to high power [10:10] iam getting blips now and again... [10:10] I can see a line going up and down through the waterfall [10:11] eeek [10:11] power supply issue? [10:11] could be [10:11] batt voltage was pretty good [10:11] Yes, I saw [10:11] linear or dc-dc? [10:11] linear [10:11] which reg? max current? [10:11] max 500mA [10:11] plenty then [10:12] its not swung massively in one direction has it? [10:12] these blips go all the way down to below 434.143 [10:12] they've stopped [10:12] stil got them here [10:12] I've seen battery voltage drop a lot with cheap PP3-style clips [10:12] no going again [10:12] guess I was in the null [10:12] maybe it reset the radio [10:13] default freq? [10:13] the frequency seems to be going all over the place [10:13] so in 20 strings it'll go back to 10mW [10:13] fingers crossed [10:13] also .. we should use the ntx2 again :) [10:14] i fear the worse [10:14] I like those :) [10:14] they are reliable [10:14] yea I'm worried too [10:14] If power then signal. Can't go wrong :) [10:14] sitting on the last known frequency [10:14] we need a reliable uplink so changes can be made in flight [10:15] cuddykid: Indeed. That'd massively help. Being able to screw up the code in the air would be a huge advance. [10:16] this is where a wider bandwidth would be useful. could see the signal if it comes back in a different frequency [10:16] i'l pud rtlsdr on and have a look [10:16] just looking through my code [10:16] its not going to re-setup the radio [10:16] :( [10:16] so if the radio has rebooted then we are in trouble [10:16] :/ [10:16] I've still not added that to mine; really must do [10:17] Nothing here. [10:17] its difficult to detect that it is [10:17] so 20 strings is about 6 minutes [10:17] not really, just check for some register you change in init [10:17] like frequency [10:17] Isn't there a register you can read (e.g.) the frequency back from to see if it's been changed since reset? Then if it's at the default setting re-setup [10:17] yes thats a good idea [10:18] i guess you set that first [10:18] then check it from time to time, if it's not set you you want, reboot [10:18] I've been meaning to add that for ages but haven't yet [10:18] Will do before my next rfm flight [10:18] Back to the antenna work then. [10:19] you can even use some register that does nothing in your mode, like sync sequence etc. [10:19] i think its over guys [10:19] write some flag there, then check that [10:19] bye all nice flight [10:19] it worked well in testing [10:19] but that of course wasn't at altitude [10:19] thanks for tracking F5APQ [10:19] you did amazingly well [10:19] eveything is different at altitude [10:20] :) [10:20] Congratulations on an extended flight - maybe the writing on the side will lead to recovery! :) [10:20] Last (errord) reception here EURUS,3640,10:09:19,541855253,-60376459,36304,9,3,918,6,4*4qEC [10:21] F5APQ (56d7a0a8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.215.160.168) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:21] g0mjw, it was definitely the power increase that killed it [10:22] Yes, you could see it on the waterfall, sudden strength and QSY LF and then nothing. [10:22] thank you tracking g0mjw [10:22] without you we would have struggled [10:23] indeed [10:24] ah well [10:26] shame, but epic flight, well done jcoxon [10:26] Gutted for you jcoxon. Still a cracking flight though! [10:28] lots of lessons learned in that flight though [10:29] I've still got the horizontal lines on the waterfall [10:30] what state would the rfm22b be in after a reset? [10:30] would it be transmitting? [10:32] adam_ (7c943ad8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.148.58.216) joined #highaltitude. [10:32] gonzo-mob (~gonzo-mob@31.88.216.43) left irc: Quit: Bye [10:32] defaults to output off i think. [10:32] gonzo-mob (~gonzo-mob@31.88.216.43) joined #highaltitude. [10:32] anyone from australia in here? [10:33] @AnthonyStirk: RT @jamescoxon: Eurus high alt balloon floating at 35km, has turned north (against predictions) #ukhas - the more trackers the better US ... [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/206694498397462530] [10:33] pretty sure it sets itself to idle on reset. [10:34] it might not have reset then -- those lines are still there [10:34] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) joined #highaltitude. [10:35] it's like the frequency is going up and down really fast [10:36] i'm getting two pips seperated by 400Hz ish on 434.2 repeating at 8 second intervals [10:36] didnt hear them earlier [10:37] woooo [10:37] pinged the iss [10:37] while mobile [10:37] don't see that here [10:37] congrats Darkside :) [10:38] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:38] Lunar_Lander (~gd-dirac@p54A07552.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:39] hi, can someone tell me what is the SW behind spacenear.us? [10:40] I would like to install such a server locally [10:40] for tracking of our balloon to be launced in July [10:40] what are ppls thoughts on the wouxun kg-uvd1p radio? [10:40] ' [10:40] \4'] [10:40] the gsm emissions disturb my reception [10:41] sorry had shit im my keyboard and tried to clean it [10:41] mclane, its called habitat [10:41] http://imagebin.org/214049 [10:41] thats what I'm seeing now on 434.2 - wasnt there this morning [10:41] i don't really recognise it [10:43] didnt know wheter it was the tx trying to tx and dying - there is a chirp to it if you look closely which is a little rfm22 ish sounding - probably wishfull thinking [10:43] maybe [10:44] if it was a power issue and hte micro was resetting it would default to 10mW [10:44] i found habitat on github, but did not succeed to install it - in the ukhas wiki it is said that it is not ready to be installed?? [10:45] its not easy at all [10:45] what software is that pic of? [10:45] mclane, you are welcome to use spacenear.us [10:45] part of hdsdr [10:47] jcoxon, thanks for that but I may not be able to connect to the internet during the chase to upload data [10:47] there are no listeners in southern germany [10:47] i see [10:47] recruit some! [10:47] there is balloon launch in germany? when? [10:47] I can help [10:47] so I would like to try to have it local on the receiving machine [10:48] r2x0t date is not fixed yet [10:48] will it be on spacenear.us tracker? [10:49] mclane, you need habhound [10:49] I have tried that already; works [10:50] jcoxon - will try that this afternoon [10:50] G0DJA (~chatzilla@88-97-37-189.dsl.zen.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:55] G'day all - Wedding all done [10:56] jcoxon - do you use setfrequency in the rtty code? [10:57] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [10:58] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:59] hello [10:59] YES Ireland! [10:59] what's habhound jcoxon ? [11:02] JFS1 (56a6ad10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.166.173.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:04] g4dpz (5cee118b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.238.17.139) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:04] JFS1 (56a6ad10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.166.173.16) joined #highaltitude. [11:06] Lunar_Lander: it's a program for tracking flights on a PC [11:06] ah thanks [11:06] like spacenear.us, only not a website [11:06] ah, a local thing [11:06] yep. it gets the data from the same place but the map is rendered locally [11:07] ah coo [11:07] #l [11:07] btw sweden made it yesterday [11:07] I believe the uk came second ... :) [11:07] MrScienceMan (~zo@46.47.80.192) joined #highaltitude. [11:08] XD if you look the other way round? [11:08] lol [11:08] it was a pretty awful song [11:08] yeah [11:08] Russia like had the best performance this time [11:08] xD [11:08] navrac_, yeah [11:09] time for some food [11:10] yea [11:10] jcoxon, cool that EURUS reached Ireland [11:11] or NI at this time [11:11] yeah [11:11] its probably still floating [11:11] UpuStayingOutOfT (026590d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.101.144.214) joined #highaltitude. [11:12] See you all later. [11:12] Broliv (~Broliv@2.26.22.185) left irc: [11:12] Morning again [11:12] nickname should end heSun [11:13] haha .... hello Upu [11:13] Nickle (~Nickle@93-96-143-83.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [11:13] jcoxon, how do you mean? [11:13] no signal? [11:13] EURUS stopped transmitting or no one recieved any packets recently ? [11:13] oh [11:13] Nick change: UpuStayingOutOfT -> UpuLondon [11:15] Just when we were expecting Eurus to power up to 100mW it powered out. [11:15] I was just going to ask the same UpuStayingOutOfT [11:15] maybe the power up broke it ? [11:16] Last report seems to be arround 09:20 this morning [11:16] That's what seems to be the general feeling. [11:16] Nick change: daveake -> DaveBBQ [11:18] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:19] damn [11:19] hi JFS1 where are you from? [11:19] South London [11:19] ah [11:19] does it power down again ? [11:20] It was supposed to after 20 strings at 100mW but was never heard from again [11:20] odd [11:20] maybe a software error? [11:21] fsphil said the frequency was going up and down. That doesn't sound like software to me [11:21] thats power related [11:21] yup [11:22] sadly yes [11:22] the 100mW killed it [11:22] it worked well on testing [11:22] but altitude is always bad [11:23] :( [11:23] power + cold possibly? [11:23] what module did you use for 100mW? [11:23] had tp test it though [11:24] yep. testing on the ground only gets you so far [11:25] Out of interest - does anyone try putting their HAB in a box of dry ice and seeing how long it will last? [11:25] JFS1, people often do [11:26] even the freezer irons out some issues [11:26] I juse a freezer, or freezer spray [11:26] hi all [11:26] what's news with eurus? [11:26] like the internal resonator in a avr doesn't work well below 0 [11:26] jonsowman, powered up to 100mW and died [11:26] I tested a 6Ah lipoly battery at -77C for 7 h and still worked [11:26] jcoxon: oh :( [11:26] Eurus switched to 100mW then got Humperdinked [11:26] that's a shame [11:27] DaveBBQ, XD [11:27] Lunar_Lander, thats impressive - they usually are poor below about -10 [11:27] yeah [11:27] using internal crystal ? [11:27] I mean I took it out and then connected it to the cutdown wire [11:27] I don't know how much it warmed up in that short time [11:27] it was still all covered in ice [11:28] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:29] anyone done radio stuff? When doing a UHF output filter should one pay attention to the caps used? Or is anything that has the right value fine? [11:30] if they are small value use NP0 caps [11:30] UpuLondon, i wasn't using the internal crystal (but my example was and it doesn't do well in freezers) [11:30] NP0/C0G [11:30] ok [11:30] Joey's output filters are all C0G [11:31] thats for vals atound 100pf or less [11:32] so is there anything against using caps from a capacitor 'kit' i got from ebay? [11:33] think I'm going to attempt another cutdown mechanism for next launch - coupled with a super slow ascent to try and get it to float for a bit [11:34] which mechanism? [11:34] nichrome wire [11:34] same as last time, however this time I'll make sure the wire doesn't snap just before lift off! [11:34] so i think we'll be trying this sort of flight again [11:34] but aiming for a lower float [11:35] yeah [11:35] i think that's a good plan [11:35] why did it snap? [11:37] Lunar_Lander: weight of wire broke solder joint [11:37] so the thinking is a valve that releases He to aim for a float say at 25km [11:37] wasn't implement very well [11:40] Finding a valve that will work at that temp and with that pressure differential will be tricky. [11:40] not sure if its even possible to get a non C0G/NP0 <20p capacitor [11:41] JFS1: benoxley's dissertation has been on this: http://www.benoxley.com/b/altitude_controller_report.pdf [11:41] jonsowman, did ben launch his valve? [11:41] JFS1, its true, the question is whether the He will actually escape [11:42] right well back out into the sunshine, armed with factor 50 for babies , hope EURUS reappears bye [11:42] UpuLondon (026590d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.101.144.214) left irc: Quit: BBQ [11:52] Adam012 (57c21a79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.26.121) joined #highaltitude. [11:53] Brilliant to see the HAB community R&D. A VERY quick scan of the Ben Oxley paper implies to me that this is still developing technology. [11:53] G0DJA (~chatzilla@88-97-37-189.dsl.zen.co.uk) got netsplit. [11:53] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) got netsplit. [11:53] Tiger^ (tygrys@moo.pl) got netsplit. [11:53] pjm__ (~pjm@109.104.96.45) got netsplit. [11:53] benoxley (~benoxley@kryten.hexoc.com) got netsplit. [11:53] Laurenceb (~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk) got netsplit. [11:53] astevens (~astevens@caosvm2.osuosl.org) got netsplit. [11:53] All the mor reason to press on with it though I guess. [11:54] JFS1: he's planning to continue work on it [11:54] Geat. [11:54] Great even. [11:54] he is around in this channel sometimes, i'm sure he'd like to talk to you about it [11:55] I see he's just quit - perhaps get him another time. [11:55] yeah, netsplit [11:55] it's just netsplit [11:56] he's normally always idling in here [11:56] should be back soon [11:59] Time for lunch - bye all. [11:59] :o [12:00] ttyl [12:00] JFS1 (56a6ad10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.166.173.16) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:00] http://www.r00t.cz//cucu_burst.png [12:00] oops, wrong channel [12:04] benoxley (~benoxley@kryten.hexoc.com) got lost in the net-split. [12:04] Laurenceb (~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk) got lost in the net-split. [12:04] astevens (~astevens@caosvm2.osuosl.org) got lost in the net-split. [12:04] pjm__ (~pjm@109.104.96.45) got lost in the net-split. [12:04] Tiger^ (tygrys@moo.pl) got lost in the net-split. [12:04] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) got lost in the net-split. [12:04] G0DJA (~chatzilla@88-97-37-189.dsl.zen.co.uk) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] oh cuddykid [12:11] aaah that's better [12:15] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:15] eurus still silent? [12:15] urg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18218142 [12:15] guess where I live [12:15] ohhh [12:15] wow i've been on the other side of a netsplit [12:16] was it better over there? :) [12:16] G0DJA (~chatzilla@88-97-37-189.dsl.zen.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [12:16] Tiger^ (tygrys@moo.pl) joined #highaltitude. [12:16] pjm__ (~pjm@109.104.96.45) joined #highaltitude. [12:16] benoxley (~benoxley@kryten.hexoc.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:16] Laurenceb (~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk) joined #highaltitude. [12:16] astevens (~astevens@caosvm2.osuosl.org) joined #highaltitude. [12:16] there we go [12:16] yay [12:16] oh freenode [12:19] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:19] Elmar_garden (~Elmar_PD3@ip4da77145.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:22] Lunar_Lander: DM [12:22] DM? [12:22] direct message :) [12:22] dw [12:23] you picked it up [12:23] ah [12:23] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:32] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:32] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk [12:32] #highaltitude: mode change '-o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:54] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:54] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:55] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) joined #highaltitude. [12:55] adam_ (7c943ad8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.148.58.216) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:58] Ho hum. Seems something in a recent update has pushed dl-fldigi past my laptop's limit. Could be something to do with the kworker threads that now seem to match Xorg for CPU use. With Xorg taking 30% and a kworker taking another 30% that doesn't leave poor old dl-fldigi with sufficient spare cycles... [12:58] hello - can someone help me with the compilation of habhound? [12:59] I get an error during compilation - yajil/yajil_tree.h not found [13:00] however this library is installed on my pc [13:04] there's a chance the version of yajl you have is not new enough [13:05] which operating system are you using mclane? [13:06] I am on linux mint 12 ( = ubuntu 11.10) [13:07] LazyLeopard: What desktop are you running now? [13:08] Lubuntu's defalt [13:09] default, even... [13:09] LXDE [13:09] Oh right, I wouldn't expect that to be pushing it much, have you tried reducing the waterfall width to see if it helps? [13:10] Tried the Lubuntu Openbox option too, but that made no difference. [13:10] fsphil - the version is 1.0.12 [13:10] just looking at the yajl github page now [13:11] Lubuntu is very light, I use it on my eee 701 and it's perfectly responsive. [13:11] Yeah, tried that. Didn't help (or at least, not noticably). [13:11] it uses features in version 2 of yajl, but there was a bug so I need to see when that was fixed [13:11] Oh, Lubuntu is far more responsive than Unity was [13:11] LXDE, even. Whatever. [13:12] looks like version 2.0.4 is ok [13:12] you may need to compile and install it manually [13:13] ...but I thing the last working version of dl-fldigi I had needed about 50% of the CPU, and with the current kernel/Xorg/whatever it seems it just won't get that. [13:13] think, even.... [13:13] (Sorry. Been awake since just before sunrise...) [13:14] VK7OO (3ba7c98a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.167.201.138) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:14] I haven't heard of an Xorg changes that should cause that, have you checked whether it needs 3rd party graphics drivers? [13:14] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:14] There's a program under 'System Settings' or something IIRC [13:15] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [13:19] Seems its an RV100 (Radeon 7000) which is supported by the Xorg radeon driver... [13:23] Yep it should be [13:24] Do you have a /etc/xorg.conf in that distro? [13:24] no, apparently not... [13:25] Hmm thought not, ubuntu tends to sort that out by itself. [13:26] Ok, well the only thing I can think of is try adding 'nomodeset' to the grub kernel-boot line and see if that makes any difference [13:26] It might make it worse, or better, I have no idea tbh but probably worth a try. [13:27] Dutch-Mill (3e2da838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.45.168.56) left irc: Quit: Page closed [13:28] fsphil - I have now 2.0.5 installed (the latest I could find). Now I get multiple errors in habitat.o: undefined reference to 'yaji_tree_parse' and further yajl_tree functions [13:30] it's probably including the wrong header ilfes [13:30] files [13:30] hmm [13:30] where did you install 2.0.5 -- /usr/local? [13:31] its in /usr/local/lib [13:32] you might need to edit the makefile [13:33] add -I/usr/local/include [13:33] and -L/usr/local/lib [13:33] it's not terribly user friendly this yet :) sorry [13:33] waiting on distros catching up with the version [13:34] I am not the makefile specialist; where do I have to add it in the makefile? [13:35] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-177-210-248.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:35] just at the beginning? [13:36] or to be added on the lines beginning with CFLAGS / LDFLAGS? [13:36] Bob_G8NSV (~chatzilla@cpc12-bour5-2-0-cust147.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:38] craag: That's had the effect of keeping the Xorg CPU in the Xorg process rather than split between it and a kworker, but it's still using the same(-ish) total. I guess I'll burrow and see whether there are things I can tell it not to try, and that might reduce it a bit... [13:38] ...but it's looking like get a new laptop time... [13:38] Back later. [13:48] mclane: yea that'll do fine [13:49] add them both to both CFLAGS and LDFLAGS [13:49] hopefully that'll do the trick [13:50] fsphil: could compile now; however, now I get a runtime error at start: could not find libyajl.so.2 - do I need to put a symlink somewhere? will try that [13:51] yea /usr/local/lib is probably not in the search path [13:52] LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib ./habhound [13:52] may get it running [13:53] it's still in the very early stages. I welcome all complaints, suggestions, insults :) [13:56] fsphil: I have created a symlink in /usr/lib - and that did it [13:56] excellent [13:58] fsphil: thanks for the help! [13:58] np, let me know how it goes [13:58] Adam012 (57c21a79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.26.121) left irc: Quit: Page closed [13:59] btw EURUS is lost in (near)space? [14:00] upper atmosphere :-) [14:01] it's probably above me right now [14:08] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:09] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) joined #highaltitude. [14:10] fsphil: I think I found a small issue: the listener symbol appears at the integer coordinates [14:10] not at the ones uploaded [14:15] hmm [14:16] is it appearing on spacenear.us in the correct place? [14:16] Nickle (~Nickle@93-96-143-83.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:17] Nickle (~Nickle@93-96-143-83.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [14:17] it appears correctly in spacenear.us [14:17] which station? [14:17] PYSYtrack [14:18] gotcha [14:18] lemme see what habhound is doing [14:18] instead of putting me to 49.04 / 11.92 it puts me at 49 / 11 [14:19] junderwood (~John@host86-182-39-47.range86-182.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:21] in the console, does it display the correct coordinate? [14:21] it should say "listener PYSYtrack at ..." [14:24] no - all coordinates are only integers (not only mine) [14:25] e.g. "listener G0MJW at 51,000000,-1,000000 altitude 0,00" [14:26] that's interesting [14:26] there may be a new bug in yajl [14:26] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:26] you're using 2.0.4? [14:27] I have 2.0.5 [14:27] that is the one I found in github [14:27] zamabe (~zamabe@unaffiliated/zamabe) joined #highaltitude. [14:30] bzam (47769105@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.118.145.5) joined #highaltitude. [14:31] bzam (47769105@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.118.145.5) left irc: Client Quit [14:32] trying it now [14:33] you cloned the github repo? [14:34] yes [14:37] Icompiled it as described in the "BUILDING" text file - manual option; and installed it with make install [14:40] nope, works here with 2.0.5 [14:40] oh wait, wrong lib [14:40] nick_ (~nick_@client-80-5-31-180.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [14:41] no that still works [14:43] I had to add -lm to the LDFLAGs and CFLAGS though [14:43] try that [14:43] I can't think of any other difference [14:46] I tried, but no difference. [14:46] I will install mint later and see if there's a difference [14:47] but at the moment I'm not sure [14:47] maybe one thing: the decimal separator is a , instead of a . [14:47] where at? [14:48] maybe there is some issue with the locale (having a german installation [14:48] that could be it [14:49] you can see here: (copy from terminal) "listener DAVEAKE at 51,000000,-1,000000 altitude 0,00" [14:49] should be 51.00000, -1.00000 etc? [14:49] LC_ALL=C ./habhound [14:49] that make any difference? [14:51] ok now correct [14:51] yes, and I just reproduced it by doing LC_ALL="de_DE" [14:51] I only see whole numbers now [14:52] well caught [14:52] gives me something to look at now [14:54] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [14:54] Bob_G8NSV (~chatzilla@cpc12-bour5-2-0-cust147.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] [14:54] Rob_m0dts (57c262d3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.98.211) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:55] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host81-131-174-65.range81-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:56] thanks for debugging! 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[16:03] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4c3.bb.sky.com) left irc: Quit: RocketBoy [16:04] junderwood (~John@host86-182-39-47.range86-182.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:04] wonder if EURUS is still floating :) [16:04] I did do a quick scan of the sky when I was out :) [16:05] I doubt even someone with good eyesight would spot it [16:05] guess you'd need a really decent pair of binos and know exactly where to look [16:06] may be possible just after sunset on ground [16:07] with bigger telescope, but you really don't even know where to look [16:07] it would be tricky even with a position [16:07] but people have managed it [16:07] there are some pretty good videos on youtube of met sondes bursting [16:08] SamSilver_ (2985f56c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.245.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:15] [1]Nickle (~Nickle@93-96-143-83.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. 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[17:14] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-177-210-248.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:14] 15 mins free wifi used 14 of them connecting... [17:14] so what happened to EURUS? [17:15] Anything heard from Eurus ? [17:15] it died? [17:15] i wonder if it popped and something broke [17:15] if it did it should have landed on land [17:16] Last I heard was it went to full TX power and wasn't heard from again [17:16] yea, no signal since [17:16] would very well still be up there [17:16] Shames [17:17] Ok probably about to disconnect to ttyl [17:17] WillDuckworth (~will@host109-149-140-17.range109-149.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:17] yay free wifi :) [17:19] how did eurus go? [17:22] WillDuckworth: was fine until it tried to switch to high power [17:23] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:23] ah - saw on the tracker it seemed to have an abrupt stop [17:24] switching to 100mW killed it [17:25] UpuTrain (5d9e4f46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.158.79.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:52] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:55] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:13] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) joined #highaltitude. [18:13] NigeyS (~nigel@cpc5-cdif14-2-0-cust382.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:13] WillDuckworth (~will@host109-149-140-17.range109-149.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:15] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. 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[18:58] why is everyone silent? [18:59] DaveBBQ (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:00] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [19:01] I'm mostly asleep. [19:02] Action: fsphil is mostly watching telly [19:02] ah [19:03] Lunar_Lander, SILENCE, i kill you! :D [19:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfResyFrqlM [19:03] ROFL! [19:09] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:12] SamSilver_ (2985f56c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.133.245.108) joined #highaltitude. [19:14] spacenear.us is a tad broken on firefox [19:15] yes [19:15] too many data points [19:15] firefox goes "oh no oh no oh no i can't deal with this" and dies [19:15] ohh [19:15] what now? [19:16] SamSilver_: you can filter like http://spacenear.us/tracker/index.php?filter=eurus [19:16] thanx jonsowman [19:17] aaahh nice! [19:17] is EURUS back? [19:18] nope [19:18] ohh [19:19] Lunar_Lander: there are a lot of folk sitting around looking at spacenear.us wishing for a sign [19:19] yeah [19:19] Action: fsphil scans the radio waves [19:19] I also hope that it'll transmit again [19:19] can someone get up there and service it? [19:20] Buzz might be able to [19:20] yea [19:21] do we know if it is Tx ing or not or there just not anyone Rx ing it [19:22] if a tree falls in a forest, does it make a sound? [19:22] xD [19:22] last report was just after it crossed -6 [19:23] Position: 54.185525,-6.037646 [19:23] did that coincide with a 100 report [19:24] afk [19:25] evening all. BBQ party over. Food went down well. Not too much vino [19:26] SamSilver_: radio died [19:26] :) [19:26] there where about five people listening to it at the time [19:27] there's a spider making a web in the corner of my monitor [19:28] fsphil: It's considerably more annoying if you get insects inside the monitor. [19:28] indeed [19:28] I managed to get a bug in between the LCD and the backlight of my screen. [19:28] thunderflies [19:32] earlier, DMAX (german TV station) showed a dubbed episode of Top Gear from 2007 in which the hosts raced in lorries [19:32] one of them was like burned down [19:32] and they crashed into a brick wall and an office container and stuff [19:46] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4c3.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:49] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [19:55] nick_ (~nick_@client-80-5-31-180.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [20:02] Rotator fixed - hopefully [20:02] nice [20:02] which one you got? [20:03] GS5400. One of the screws holding the motor had worked loose. Easy to fix but getting inside was not. due to soft screw heads. [20:04] Now, Where is EURUS? [20:04] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) joined #highaltitude. [20:06] hello RocketBoy [20:06] congratulations for the new record [20:07] thanks [20:08] you're welcome + awesome [20:17] nick_ (~nick_@client-80-5-31-180.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:17] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:18] Nick change: nick_ -> Guest42832 [20:18] He's peaked now. My turn next lol [20:18] xD [20:19] what about eurus? [20:19] Lost after it switched rf power up to 100mW, sadly [20:20] DO1SEC (~do1sec@p4FFE0314.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:22] it released the magic smoke [20:24] XD! [20:32] KT5TK_ (445d4b1a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.93.75.26) joined #highaltitude. [20:36] DrLuke (~Im@p579269AB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:38] Adam012 (57c21a79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.26.121) joined #highaltitude. [20:38] mclane (5841c7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.65.199.252) left irc: Quit: Page closed [20:44] KT5TK (~thomas@adsl-68-93-75-26.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:45] KT5TK_ (445d4b1a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.93.75.26) left #highaltitude. [20:48] priyesh (~priyesh@unaffiliated/priyesh) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [20:49] priyesh (~priyesh@unaffiliated/priyesh) joined #highaltitude. [20:49] What happened to Eurus? [20:50] The battery died after it switched to 'high power' mode on the radio [20:50] Instantly after. [20:50] No more signal. [20:50] With it still at altitude [20:51] Zuph (~Zuph@69.64.6.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:51] Damn, any chance of it being found/back up transmitter etc? [20:52] No backup transmitter - if it bursts and is found on the ground, in principle it could be found. [20:52] But if it diddn't burst soon, it was heading out to sea. [20:53] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [20:54] Is there a website for it or was it an undocumented build? [20:54] Zuph (~Zuph@69.64.6.70) joined #highaltitude. [20:55] I don't know if there were build docs. [20:57] isn't really anything out there for it [20:57] Thanks for catching me up SpeedEvil. While you're on, is there anything online about the Xaben builds? [20:58] nope. [20:58] I don't know, I mean [20:59] RocketBoy (steverand@5acfd4c3.bb.sky.com) left #highaltitude. [20:59] That's okay, I've searched myself but without any luck as both projects caught my eye. Do you know of any tutorials for getting an Ublox 6 and an Arduino talking? [21:00] Adam012: check http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03 [21:00] number10 (4d6b9d0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.107.157.10) left irc: Quit: Page closed [21:00] Zuph (~Zuph@69.64.6.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:00] All the old commands still work? That's great! [21:02] a lot of code can be found on github from various guys on this channel [21:03] That will be a huge help. This project (Horizon) has been a big step up for me in terms of the coding required and it's good to have some tried and tested code to work and test with before I embark on writing my own. [21:05] Adam012: got any documention etc for your project? [21:05] Thank you SpeedEvil and Elmar_PD3EM for answering all of my questions, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply. [21:07] gonzo-mob (~gonzo-mob@213.205.233.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [21:07] gonzo-mob (~gonzo-mob@213.205.232.20) joined #highaltitude. [21:08] you're welcome Adam012! I'm also still learning ;-) Gonna do my first launch later this year [21:08] @jonsowman - nothing online yet as y12 exams began before we could get the website up and running. We'll start up again mid-June once the AS exams are over and the students are back from half-term. [21:08] good stuff Adam012, where are you based? [21:09] We're based in Walsall, Queen Mary's Grammar School. I'm based just outside of Rugeley in Staffordshire. [21:10] cool. what kind of platform are you using for your payload? arduino/avr/? [21:10] great [21:10] Adam012: not far from me [21:10] Action: Randomskk is also named Adam! but sadly no longer y12 [21:10] @Elmar_PD3EM - We're not launching until next year (Feb/March). Have you got a website/blog for your build? [21:10] Adam012: im just West of Derby [21:11] @Randomskk - We're using the Arduino Uno for the environmental monitoring/logging computer and the Arduino Mini Pro 3.3V for the flight computer. [21:11] hello Elmar_PD3EM [21:11] Adam012: see http://www.pd3em.com/ [21:11] cool. [21:11] hi LL [21:12] @Randomskk - I'm a little past y12, try yr 28! [21:12] aah :P [21:12] teacher then? what subject? [21:12] Hi Laurenceb_ [21:12] I'm year 16 I think... [21:12] hmm [21:13] cool a friend of mine now also has cable.virginmedia [21:13] xD [21:13] damn numbers keep resetting :P [21:13] I'm year too-old-to-remember [21:13] he is in Northampton [21:13] I teach mathematics and applied mathematics. I also run the Cipher Challenge teams. [21:13] who is doing fireworks now... [21:13] year 20 here [21:13] year 17 afaik [21:14] no.. 21 [21:14] Action: Laurenceb_ fails at counting [21:14] xD [21:14] gb73d (gb73d@81-178-183-153.dsl.pipex.com) left irc: Quit: Whoosh we're gone [21:14] im way too old [21:15] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [21:15] I'm 20 years... stopped changing the answer to the same question years ago ;-) [21:17] xD [21:17] I think we talk about schoolyears [21:17] in real years I am 22 [21:19] cuddykid (~acudworth@128.243.253.217) left irc: Quit: cuddykid [21:19] I emailed the CAA to find out whether they would grant us permission to launch from the school field. I emailed them a second time 3 weeks later. After a further fortnight I called them and was told I would have an answer within a week. That was 3 weeks ago. Are they always this helpful or is it just me? [21:20] they are famously slow [21:20] that is standard fare [21:20] owh... I'm not going to school anymore for 24 years now ;-) [21:21] g0mjw (d598206c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.152.32.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:21] cuddykid (~acudworth@128.243.253.217) joined #highaltitude. [21:22] Should I just keep bugging them? [21:22] yea. [21:22] jdtanner (~Adium@host86-153-107-235.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:22] nicely :P [21:23] CAA = Certificates After Ages [21:23] jdtanner (~Adium@host86-153-107-235.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [21:24] cuddykid (~acudworth@128.243.253.217) left irc: Client Quit [21:24] that's about right [21:26] speaking of which [21:27] chase DM is on my todo list for tomorrow [21:27] xD [21:28] :-). He must be busier each year than before [21:28] he might have to start coming into the office two days a week [21:28] lol [21:28] xD [21:28] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:32] Guest42832 (~nick_@client-80-5-31-180.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:34] Elmar_PD3EM, still on? [21:36] yep.. I think so ;-) [21:36] xD [21:36] has been turning the dial on 40 meter [21:36] ah [21:36] anything interesting? [21:38] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [21:39] Good night all and thank you for all the advice! Elmar, I'll keep an eye on your project. Looking forward to your launch. [21:39] hs anyone done anything with RTTY decoding, where it automaticlly alters the frequency to account for drift [21:40] dl-fldigi can both track the signal inside the audio passband and retune your radio via rigcontrol if the signal leaves the passband [21:40] chris_99: also there have been various attempts to compensate the transmit side radio [21:40] oh interesting, didn't know it could do that Randomskk [21:40] Adam012: please do come back with any questions if you have them [21:41] Thank you for your support jon, it's much appreciated! [21:42] Adam012: also give us warning of your launch, lots of helpful people are usually willing to help with tracking [21:43] nerdcommenter for vim, how did i live without that? [21:44] I plan to get as much data up on UKHAS as possible and keep eveyone up-to-date once we pick up a bit of momentum. Rapid Electronics are onboard as our first sponsor and now we're trying to get a Go Pro donated and raise 300 for a second launch and Diesel for the two chase vehicles. [21:45] Rapid are a great sponsor to have on board, good work [21:45] I love this project and it's keeping me very busy! [21:45] It is good fun [21:45] vin diesel is your sponsor? [21:45] Chris and the team over at Rapid have been great, we are very grateful for their kindness. [21:46] Adam012: so they're giving you cash, or parts? or both? [21:47] Parts (and some training gear in the form of prototyping board, jumper cabling and a couple of Arduino Unos). [21:47] Good stuff [21:47] have you got your tracking kit sorted? [21:48] We know what we need, I just need to contact Upu and place an order. [21:48] ground side radio? [21:48] sorry, yes, the ground side kit [21:49] evening Adam012 [21:49] May need a little help with a coax ariel. The radio is a FT790 on loan from jcoxon. We have a little whip for it but I was thinking about building a handheld yagi as well. [21:50] where are you launching from ? [21:50] Good evening Upu! [21:50] Hopefully the back field of Queen Mary's Grammar School, Walsall (CAA dependent!) [21:52] oh ok thats cool closer to me than Cambridge [21:52] yell if you need a hand [21:53] hello Upu [21:53] You'd be welcome to launch in cambridge if you wanted to Adam012 (CUSF have a permanent NOTAM here) but I realise it's a long way. Still it's an option to bear in mind. [21:53] evening Lunar [21:53] Thanks Upu. I was going to offer to help out/hold stuff/supply tea cake at someones launch over the summer to get some first hand experience. [21:54] Well we may be launching from the Peak District in the next few weeks [21:54] I'll check but I don't think there would be any reason why yuo couldn't tag along [21:54] Cambridge is just a little too far for us to go. Diesel is just too expensive and time including retrieval for a first time launch would be punishing. [21:54] pm me your mail address [21:57] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [22:05] jdtanner (~Adium@host86-153-107-235.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:16] Elmar_PD3EM (~Elmar_PD3@ip4da77145.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] [22:16] quit [22:16] Adam012 (57c21a79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.26.121) left irc: [22:24] second time lucky [22:24] always annoying when you forget the / when whois'ing someone :) [22:24] [1]Nickle (~Nickle@93-96-143-83.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. 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[22:55] good night [22:55] Lunar_Lander (~gd-dirac@p54A07552.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [23:00] chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:03] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-177-210-248.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:06] Received email: bambi "[UKHAS] Beginner in Australia requests help" [23:12] wdb (~chatzilla@541AD901.cm-5-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] [23:15] G8KNN-Jon (~Jon@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust144.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:45] ph (~ph@0x57393b9c.srnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined #highaltitude. [23:46] ^ph (~ph@0x57393b9c.srnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:49] NigeyS (~nigel@cpc5-cdif14-2-0-cust382.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:00] --- Mon May 28 2012