[00:00] didn't know that [00:00] shiny will radiate less but absorb less [00:01] so the net effect is actually harder to determine than one might expect [00:01] Jasperw (~jasperw@2001:470:1f08:1caf::2) joined #highaltitude. [00:01] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solar-Evacuated-Mini-Tube-Oven-Power-sun-/120733016830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1c3fa2fe [00:01] i'm unsure what the actual answer is, I expect is depends a lot on the thermal mass of the payload etc [00:01] Get one of thost to put the payload in. [00:01] :) [00:02] warm it up with a laser from earth [00:02] Damn - that's actually a reasonable price [00:02] even shipped internationally [00:02] how does that work? [00:02] Oh - I was thinking it was the bigger one [00:03] It's an absorbtive coating on the inside, and a IR reflective on the outside [00:03] evacuated [00:04] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host86-179-249-49.range86-179.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:06] NigeyS (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [00:07] GeekShadow (~antoine@92.42.75.86.rev.sfr.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:09] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:10] sleepy time [00:10] wish me luck tomorrow [00:10] heavy launch [00:10] TimZaman (~chatzilla@535602CA.cm-6-7a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243] [00:15] GeekShadow (~antoine@180.217.196.77.rev.sfr.net) joined #highaltitude. [00:18] TimZaman (~chatzilla@535602CA.cm-6-7a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #highaltitude. [00:18] hi guys i tuned in back [00:19] since everyone wants to see my TEDx talk about the HAB, here it is, a whopping 5 minutes of fame [00:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kShT_Z3GJSU&feature=player_embedded [00:19] was watching that earlier - very well done [00:21] sorry for the slimeyness, but it was TEDx so i had to propose an idea [00:25] you did bloody well Tim :D [00:26] ahhhh thank you [00:26] make sure to 'like' it [00:26] it'd be too awesome if it pops up at ted.com [00:34] Wil5on (~Wil5on@compsci.adl/eternalpresident/wil5on) joined #highaltitude. [00:35] TimZaman (~chatzilla@535602CA.cm-6-7a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243] [00:37] Only €400? I want to make one now o.o [00:38] the radiosonde I was tracking just burst at 24km [00:38] here's a pretty graph: http://i.imgur.com/Qeiij.png :) [00:53] NigeyMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:53] moar graphs: http://i.imgur.com/5DxLe.png [00:54] thats funky! [00:55] fsphil-laptop (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:219:d2ff:fe09:a6b9) left irc: Quit: I'm doing science and I'm still alive! [00:58] NigelMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [01:06] zeusbot (~zeusbot@kraken.habhub.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:07] zeusbot_ joined #highaltitude. [01:21] zeusbot (~zeusbot@kraken.habhub.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:21] Nick change: zeusbot_ -> zeusbot [01:23] Wil5on (~Wil5on@compsci.adl/eternalpresident/wil5on) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:38] Jasperw (~jasperw@2001:470:1f08:1caf::2) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:27] whoa, nice talk by tim [02:35] juxta (~juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [03:15] Wil5on (~Wil5on@compsci.adl/eternalpresident/wil5on) joined #highaltitude. [03:22] Wil5on (~Wil5on@compsci.adl/eternalpresident/wil5on) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:42] wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@221.220.179.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:43] wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@mimi.q-ag.de) joined #highaltitude. [04:16] juxta (~juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [04:53] joph_ (~joph@pD95E6282.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [04:54] joph (~joph@pD95E671A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:54] Nick change: joph_ -> joph [05:14] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@client-208-124-95-93.consolidated.net) joined #highaltitude. [05:18] Dan-K2VOL (Dan-K2VOL@client-208-124-95-93.consolidated.net) left #highaltitude. 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[09:03] eroomde: hehe... well all the other bits I already have... was putting off the most expensive bit till last [09:04] Nick change: remy_ -> remyzero [09:04] remyzero (~remyzero@203.122.226.233) left irc: Changing host [09:04] remyzero (~remyzero@unaffiliated/remyzero) joined #highaltitude. [09:38] morning world [09:38] anyone know if tim's launch is still on for today? [09:38] i think so [09:39] good. Will be interesting to see if I can get any signals from it [09:39] mmm i hope to receive it via a globaltuners site in dokkum [09:41] Wil5on (~Wil5on@compsci.adl/eternalpresident/wil5on) joined #highaltitude. [09:42] kjn (~kjn@wifi.athenaeumhotel.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:47] Darkside: are you going to be decoding ssdv too? [09:47] maybe [09:51] M1ELR (~androirc@92.40.253.62.threembb.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [09:52] I may switch to the ssdv chan if the signals on 50bd are strong [09:53] ms7821 (~Mark@static.88.147.40.188.clients.your-server.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:53] ms7821 (~Mark@static.88.147.40.188.clients.your-server.de) joined #highaltitude. [09:54] M1ELR (~androirc@92.40.253.62.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [09:55] nosebleedKT (~mixio@79.167.57.217) joined #highaltitude. [09:56] Action: costyn afk [09:57] juxta (~juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:05] just reading up on the radiosonde stuff, they use 2400 baud signals [10:05] and a 60mw transmitter [10:06] we need more power :) [10:06] what to receive? [10:07] They use FM, almost any receiver works (though typically not the 817 -- just out of band) [10:07] M1ELR (~androirc@92.40.253.62.threembb.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:07] I tracked one last night using a whip, until it was nearly over scotland [10:08] didn't pick anything up from aberporth this morning fsphil :/ [10:08] shipit (~shipit@204-15-2-155-static.ipnetworksinc.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:09] odd [10:10] WillDuckworth (c2498332@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.73.131.50) joined #highaltitude. [10:10] ill try again at midday [10:19] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host109-151-222-77.range109-151.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:22] g0atw (51909922@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.144.153.34) joined #highaltitude. [10:51] hmm [10:51] no news from Tim? [10:52] think he was planning an over-nighter. So he's prob alseep with his face in the payload [10:52] heh [10:52] he was meant to launch 15 min ago [10:58] ah, the tiem was quited in CEST, but it's not summer. [10:58] I thought it was an hr earlier! [11:06] hmm what is he doing! [11:07] dudpect, far to busy to be posting here [11:07] suspect [11:08] (the fun of using VNC, you can't see the typo's till they've been sent) [11:11] lol [11:12] it's now 12:12 CEST [11:12] so he should've launched [11:12] Action: costyn goes to lunch [11:14] Darkside: did you see the radioshield? [11:14] no [11:14] I posted you a link [11:14] :P [11:14] http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317389_323519000995484_259791880701530_1463227_516128066_n.jpg [11:14] oh that [11:14] decoded 1350 aprs messages in 3hrs [11:15] including mine [11:15] its just the NRX2 with a amp isnt it [11:15] going to one of the ADC pins [11:15] NRX1 with opamp yes [11:15] but it fits on arduino [11:15] thats the neat of it :P [11:15] you work with aprs? [11:15] we have our own APRS transmitters boards [11:16] if we do APRS RX on a balloon we won't be doing it with an arduino [11:16] ah [11:17] my target was to do the receive with an arduino, and yesterday i finally did it after 1.5yrs :) [11:17] I asked you so if you were interested to send you some shields. [11:18] nah, no thanks [11:18] :p [11:18] getting the RX modules for our frequency is difficult [11:18] they cost a ton [11:18] what freq? [11:18] 145.175MHz [11:18] only australia uses it [11:18] did you ask rdiometrix? [11:18] they'd have to custom make them [11:19] yes, they make custom for me too [11:19] all the radios i bought are custom [11:19] anyway, we have a digipeater planned using one of their tunable transceiver modules [11:19] you can buy a 145.175mhz NRX1 and it wont be more than 50e [11:19] with transfer cost [11:19] jeez [11:20] scrre that [11:20] screw* [11:20] lol [11:20] seriously [11:20] man, we have crisis! [11:20] we paid AUD$60 for the 145.175 300mw transmit modules [11:20] yes 300mw its expensive [11:20] what i'd be doing is buying a cheap $40 chinese 2m handheld radio, and using that [11:20] 1W or 5W transceiver [11:20] done [11:21] cool [11:21] anyway [11:21] I got a nice 2w handheld on fleabay darkside [11:21] 40quid [11:21] mm [11:22] would prolly work nicely, quite small to. [11:22] yeah [11:22] my plan is to have my own pc software with google maps and have real time tracking based on the data from the serial port [11:22] i'm working on other things atm anyway... [11:23] SDR board, LO board [11:23] Lo? [11:23] SDR board has been send off for manufacture, LO board will be manufactured in-house [11:23] local oscillator [11:23] Oo [11:23] its a AD9851 arduino shield [11:23] will work as an exciter for a HF payload too [11:24] oh that's gonna be neat. [11:24] when u expecting the sdr brd back? [11:24] 2 weeks or so [11:24] Nicey! [11:24] the LO is for the SDR board, as it doesn't have a local oscilator on board [11:25] Darkside: interesting. [11:25] ah, didn't spot that...lol [11:26] hey speedy. [11:26] NickB_ (c24e2462@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.78.36.98) joined #highaltitude. [11:27] hey [11:27] MoALTz (~no@host-92-8-224-161.as43234.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:27] Action: SpeedEvil receives his nuclear fission reactor in the post. [11:27] (Ok, it's a tritium keychain light) [11:28] heh i still have one of those [11:28] for it about 5 years ago [11:28] got it* [11:30] NickB_ (c24e2462@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.78.36.98) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] Yeah - I have another. [11:32] _somewhere_. [11:32] :/ [11:32] Not found it for 4 weeks though. [11:32] heh [11:32] still nothing from Tim.. [11:32] someone give him a phone call :P [11:33] hehe, I've his number but no mobile signal. I work in a faraday cage [11:33] heh [11:39] same here, with 100's of pc's and 100's of WLAN units [11:39] you can almost see the RF fog [11:42] I'll call him [11:43] no answer... [11:43] call goes to voicemail, which supports the hypothesis that he's still asleep [11:45] pff [11:45] Darkside: sorry dude. :) must be getting late for you [11:45] nah only 10pm [11:46] ah not too bad [11:48] wow there is a picture of them launching a HAB in my chem textbook [11:48] thats cool [11:52] anyone we know?! [11:54] nawh :P it was launched in Antarctica so i doubt it [12:06] tey the payload is on! [12:14] partial image on the ssdv page [12:14] 10 minutes ago [12:15] that's not what I'd call 'north side of Utrecht' :) [12:15] interesting how the 2 payloads are reporting different altitudes [12:16] thats normal [12:16] woah launch [12:16] Darkside: normal for one to stay on the ground and the other to launch? :) [12:16] heh [12:16] thats nor normal [12:17] maybe he's launching 2 separate balloons [12:18] dammit theres local noise on 434.075 at dokkum [12:23] there was a ukhas link with a nice introduction on HABing but I cant find the link. Does anyone remembers it? [12:28] http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning [12:28] it's the first link on the front page [12:29] no, not this [12:30] it's another very nice article explaining the hobby.. I remembers it tells that to make a HAB you need to know about electronics, construction and software.. [12:30] things like that [12:31] fsphil - can you post link to sstv page (seemed to have lost it) [12:31] ok i am receiving this balloon [12:31] http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live/ [12:31] ta [12:31] got a perfect signal with this globaltuner RX [12:31] ah cool... so there *are* 2 balloons [12:31] no [12:32] theres one [12:32] just nobody is receiving data for the other payload [12:32] dunno what tim is doing [12:32] shipit (~shipit@204-15-2-155-static.ipnetworksinc.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:32] need dutch-mill to RX the other payload [12:32] what in the hell is in front of the camera [12:32] Action: costyn is wondering that too [12:33] what the [12:33] lol [12:33] jeez i am the ONLY receiver [12:33] this is kind of bad [12:34] and very very odd [12:34] Darkside: since this morning I have a 817, so I'll soon be able to join in tracking; but not today :) [12:35] costyn: are you at work or something? [12:35] Darkside: indeed [12:35] \ [12:35] :P [12:35] same here.. my home rig is setup but it's unlikely to get high enough for me to receive it [12:36] if it's still up in an hour I'll give it a go [12:37] M1ELR (~androirc@92.40.253.62.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:40] nada here so far, poss when it gets higher [12:43] oh good tim is RXing [12:45] daveake_ (d49f57d3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.159.87.211) joined #highaltitude. [12:48] Tim said it would be a short one... looks like it from the ascent rate [12:48] and tim has stopped RXing... [12:48] grr [12:48] looks like i'm here for a while [12:48] can someone please rimg him and tell him to receive the 434.075MHz one if he can... [12:49] i've for the 434.650MHZ one fine, but the 434.075MHz payload is going to be the one he needs to be RXing when this thing starts to fall [12:49] i'll try to give him a call [12:49] M1ELR (~androirc@94.197.127.227.threembb.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [12:49] M1ELR (~androirc@94.197.127.227.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [12:49] also i think the 300 baud one is the one that failed last time [12:49] I'm sat listening on on 075 [12:49] good [12:49] getting his voicemail again [12:49] i can't RX on that frequency [12:50] out of range atm though [12:50] so someone local needs to liten on 434.075 [12:50] last time he had a bunch of local hams listening in too [12:50] guess he hasn't notified them now [12:51] ok now he's RXing on the 300 baud payload [12:51] bah [12:51] the 300 baud payload just went to carrier [12:51] I see 075 signal [12:51] just like last time [12:51] ffs [12:52] hmm 075 just disappeared [12:52] no its there again [12:53] i'm still seeing the carrier on 434.658 [12:53] 434.076 [12:53] but its just carrier, that payload has died [12:53] very faint [12:53] too much local QRM on 434.075 to receive anything [12:53] it needs a bit more height before I'll be able to decode this [12:53] and its drifting like a beyotch [12:56] 434.076 370 shift [12:56] cant hear it on folkestone [12:56] wires switched you need RV checked... [12:56] got it [12:57] weird how the 2 payloads are wildly differing in location? they're about 10 - 15km apart [12:57] costyn: its normal [12:57] k [12:57] people arent RXing both paylaods [12:57] Should sort out shortly [12:57] Powered by neutrinos [12:57] I'm decoding packets now [12:58] TimZaman (~chatzilla@188.207.66.236) joined #highaltitude. [12:58] launch now [12:58] they using different GPS ? Times are different [12:58] hi Tim :) [12:58] TimZaman: we realised that [12:58] launched now at 133km [12:58] Action: UpuWork pats Tim [12:58] TimZaman: 300 baud payload dead [12:58] ssdv is stuck again [12:58] 3300baud dead yeah [12:58] i cant RX 50 baud payload from dokkum due to local QRM [12:59] 50 baud is transmitting but you need RV checked [12:59] buuuh [12:59] TimZaman: you REALLY need a watchdog timer on the beagleboard [12:59] yeah 50 baud workss fine [12:59] becuase this has happened twice now [13:00] Darkside: yeah its got to do with temp i guess [13:00] save ocommentsfor later please [13:00] please help :) [13:00] were in 2 cars [13:00] TimZaman (~chatzilla@188.207.66.236) left irc: Client Quit [13:00] crashed ? [13:02] UpuWork: dial for 50 baud? [13:05] 434.075 [13:05] 370 shift [13:05] sorry had to take a call [13:05] yeah not working on this receiver [13:05] no probs [13:05] tracking and working :/ [13:08] Distance 533km [13:11] Someone more local better start getting this or you've no chance on the way down [13:11] UpuWork: tim has it in his car [13:12] ok [13:13] or at least he did... [13:15] good range there UpuWork - are you remote controlling? [13:16] MoALTz (~no@host-92-8-154-188.as43234.net) joined #highaltitude. [13:17] looks like tim has no signal... [13:17] TimZaman (~chatzilla@188.207.66.236) joined #highaltitude. [13:18] TimZaman: not getting any signal? [13:18] yeah just RDP'd in from home [13:18] no sound [13:18] UpuWork: you don't need that, its what FFTs are for! [13:18] :P [13:19] upu thanksman [13:19] super work [13:19] who knows a GPSACP to google mapsc oordinate converter? [13:19] TimZaman: you're going to need to be RXing solidly for when that thing pops [13:19] you're going to be the only RX station [13:20] FFT ? [13:20] yeah yeah [13:22] kinda losing signal [13:22] you need to get shifting Tim [13:22] Fast Fourier Transform? [13:22] I won't be able to recieve this once it drops below 14km [13:22] costyn: the waterfall display on dl-fldigi [13:22] :) [13:23] oh yeah [13:23] thats what I'm using [13:23] err [13:23] signal just went very very faint [13:23] or should I say [13:23] bye bye [13:24] oh wait its back [13:25] did the txcount reset? [13:25] no [13:25] that was wierd [13:25] it just faded completely out [13:25] then came back in the same spot [13:26] could do with upping the output on the DigiMaster [13:26] but can't do that remotely [13:27] local QRM is messing decoding up [13:27] 22204 [13:27] junderwood (~John@host86-181-64-174.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:30] g0atw (51909922@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.144.153.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:31] wonder if that loss of signal was an atmospheric thing [13:31] it changed direction at the same time [13:31] maybe [13:31] could have been some weird fading due to ducting or something [13:31] signal nice and strong now 434.076 370 [13:31] TimZaman_ (~chatzilla@188.207.65.60) joined #highaltitude. [13:32] awful signal [13:32] hate the kenwood th7f [13:32] too much noise [13:32] TimZaman: what antenna are you using [13:32] crappy one [13:32] little stick [13:32] on the car [13:32] do you have a yagi? [13:32] TimZaman (~chatzilla@188.207.66.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:32] yeah sure [13:32] also where are you [13:32] Nick change: TimZaman_ -> TimZaman [13:33] arnhem [13:33] underneath it [13:33] if you're anywhere below the balloon you're going to get crap signal [13:33] aaaaaaaaaaaah shit yeah thats it [13:33] the nulls of both antennas will give you problems [13:33] try putting the antenna on its side [13:33] or point a yagi antenna upwards [13:33] UpuWork, fading is most likely a null in your antenna [13:33] fsphil: it was way too sudden [13:33] aah [13:33] that would have to be a really sharp null [13:34] i'm betting it was ducting [13:35] ducting? [13:36] tropospheric ducting, where water vapour in the air bends radio signals [13:36] it can do some strange things [13:36] a null ? in MY ANTENNA how dare you* [13:36] is the 50 baud signal still going? [13:36] *whats a null in antenna ? [13:36] yep [13:36] 434.076 370 shift [13:36] 550km [13:37] the gain on a colinear has peeks and nulls [13:37] depends on the angle [13:37] fsphil: i dunno if they would have been that sharp [13:37] yea [13:37] also the payload suddenly changed direction when it happened [13:37] so it could have been the payloads orientation changing [13:37] more likely the antenna on the payload pointing away [13:37] whats the antenna ? [13:38] 1/4 wave whip i'd assume... [13:39] Tim always uses a 1/4 wave yes [13:40] what's the dial frequency for pd4ta? [13:40] 434.076 [13:41] wtf [13:41] POLARIZING SPaCE !! Thng Poroid ... !! pOLARIZING`HBc0__{$$PD4TE,774,13:39:59,51982X,+5.[23559,9,-16,4054*332B [13:41] ! POlARIZING SPACE ! [13:41] lol [13:41] ahahahahaha [13:41] what the hell is that [13:41] you can tell drugs are legal over there [13:41] haha [13:41] $$PD4TA,?[k76]Z7,51.9823,+5.8618,24080,9,-16,4047*9FC6 [13:41] ! POLARIZING SPaCE !! Thng Poroid ... !! pOLARIZING`HBc0__{$$PD4TE,774,13:39:59,51982X,+5.[23559,9,-16,4054*332B [13:41] ! POlARIZING SPACE !$$PD4TA,775,13:40:47,51.9819,+5.8676,21671,9,-16,4054*E79F [13:41] ! POLARIZING SPACE !$$PD4TA,7'6,13:41:09,51.9x17,+5~t689,20862,9,-16,4054*B6B1 [13:41] ! POLARIZn~PA [13:42] taking the pictures hopefully! [13:42] ahh [13:42] unsurprisingly, no signal here :) [13:42] so it does that whenever it takes a polaroid [13:42] got some really weird nonsense on the waterfall though [13:42] burst [13:42] yes [13:42] burst [13:42] Best pick it up Tim [13:43] TimZaman: get to a high location NOW, and get the yagi out [13:43] hahaha yeah [13:43] live prediction? [13:43] Darkside: high location? in the Netherlands? [13:43] nope ts not running [13:43] still taking pictures [13:43] costyn: point taken [13:43] TimZaman: no predictions running [13:43] you'll have to play this one by ear i guess [13:44] fading badly [13:44] gone [13:44] i'm setting it downloading data for delft [13:44] i think [13:44] back but faint [13:44]