[00:01] natrium42 (~alexei@bas1-oakville54-1279297261.dsl.bell.ca) joined #highaltitude. [00:03] shenki: your rx position has updated [00:03] so all good [00:05] cool :) [00:05] darkside, hear what kind sir? [00:05] im now having trouble getting a full sentence [00:05] juxta-chasecar: its ok [00:05] we were playing ride of the valkyries over the repeater [00:08] burst [00:08] fergusnoble (~Adium@c-76-21-106-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude. [00:08] BURST [00:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:09] my goodness that was fast [00:09] that's what she said [00:10] fergusnoble (~Adium@c-76-21-106-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:12] Darkside: will you catch it? it's speeding up... [00:12] dunno [00:12] terry is racing towards it at the moment [00:13] MoALTz_ (~no@host-92-18-2-37.as13285.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:13] was this intended to burst so low? [00:13] nope [00:13] we expected 20km [00:13] but it had a very high ascent rate didn't it? [00:13] i'm thinking that the payloa hit the balloon [00:17] hrm, it's going to hit the ground hard [00:21] -85m/s! [00:21] oh [00:22] too low, i've lost it :) [00:22] 8m/s is still quite fast :) [00:22] SpeedEvil: yup, heaps fast. good thing there's not much mass to impact the ground [00:25] I wonder if we'll see the bounce on the altitude graph. :) [00:26] Though it's slowed lots now. [00:27] VK5CP (3df5811b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.245.129.27) joined #highaltitude. [00:28] hi guys vk5cp @ shack (on aux power) [00:28] juxta-chasecar_ (~juxta@1.153.222.23) joined #highaltitude. [00:28] :) [00:29] Landed on a 'seam' on the google imagery./ [00:29] I think i can hear balloon in audio but not enough for PC yet [00:30] how far is it off 434.075? [00:30] VK5CP: i last heard it on 434.0761 [00:30] that was still a km or so up [00:30] tnx will move there [00:31] i normally cant hear it until 3-4 kms [00:31] its landed [00:31] how long between bursts? [00:31] VK5CP: landed [00:31] already [00:31] it burst at 9.3km [00:31] damm missed it! [00:31] terry is almost at the landing site, check http://spacenear.us/tracker/ [00:32] About 10km from you VK5CP [00:32] If your location on tracker is accurate. [00:32] juxta-chasecar (~juxta@1.153.222.23) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:32] Stopped at landing site [00:32] its not acurate [00:32] :P [00:32] speedevel - i am in younghusband [00:32] ok its still transmitting.. good [00:32] worst case we can DF it [00:33] i was worried it'd died on landing [00:33] antyway [00:33] Darkside: are you the red car? [00:33] carsickness rising [00:33] i'm blue [00:33] ok [00:33] ish landing site [00:33] so terry is there? [00:33] yes [00:33] terry is red [00:33] going offline [00:33] Good luck! [00:34] looks like it is near the mannum waterfall, road is blocked off due to 2010 flood, you will need 4wd [00:34] i have snags and chicked drummies for post flight BBQ [00:39] thanks chris [00:39] VK5CP (3df5811b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.245.129.27) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:40] someone finally publicly posted the Steve Jobs reading of "Here's to the Crazy Ones" advert http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8rwsuXHA7RA [00:41] VK5CP (3df5811b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.245.129.27) joined #highaltitude. [00:42] can i get a sitrep darkside? [00:42] terry is near landing site [00:42] its in a field osmewhere [00:42] we're heading there now [00:42] good [00:42] :) [00:43] Dan-K2VOL (Dan-K2VOL@96-28-234-61.dhcp.insightbb.com) left #highaltitude. [00:43] VK5CP (3df5811b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.245.129.27) left irc: Client Quit [00:49] Wil5on (~Wil5on@150.203.220.82) joined #highaltitude. [00:54] Woo! [00:55] It's moving slowly to the car. [00:55] :) [00:55] @darksidelemm: http://t.co/5jZk2NTy Payload recovered! #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/125374369898840065] [00:57] its in teh car atm [00:58] still turned on lol [00:58] maybe i shoudl turn it off :P [00:59] nice Darkside [00:59] did it get wet this time? [00:59] Darkside: Got any more helium? [01:02] nope [01:02] lol [01:02] we're going to the mannum waterfalls [01:03] just for fun [01:06] VK5CP (3df5811b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.245.129.27) joined #highaltitude. [01:07] mark - hows it going? [01:10] darkside et. al. I am heading back to GH's to collect tower. [01:11] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [01:14] VK5CP, we're on the way to yours [01:14] for some lunch! 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[06:29] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:35] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:42] morning [06:43] hey jcoxon [06:43] how are you? how did the conference go? [06:43] i was too busy to tune in :((( [06:44] it went really well [06:44] it'll be on youtube [06:44] looking out hte window it looks like awesome weather to launch in [06:44] awesome [06:44] was there a horus launch today? [06:45] yeah [06:45] quite a short flight from the looks of it [06:46] i wonder if that was planned [06:47] did dan manage to connect to ukhas conf? [06:47] yeah [06:47] worked well [06:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtfJuTvaHxo [06:48] Action: jcoxon has no helium [06:50] cool, thx [06:50] Gillerire_ (~Jamie@219-90-224-179.ip.adam.com.au) joined #highaltitude. [06:52] Gillerire (~Jamie@219-90-224-179.ip.adam.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:53] Nick change: Gillerire_ -> Gillerire [06:59] number10 (569e1bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.158.27.248) joined #highaltitude. [07:02] jackclark (~jackclark@36.Red-79-144-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined #highaltitude. [07:03] fsphil-laptop (~phil@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [07:11] morning [07:13] hiya number10 [07:13] another frost [07:13] I've not bothered looking outside yet :) [07:13] is Nige making coffee and breakfast ;) [07:14] hope so lol [07:14] I'm here till 12ish [07:15] I was just outside sticking a bit of wire onto an old windsurfer mast - must be mad [07:15] weather looks perfect for a launch [07:15] no helium though :( [07:15] juxta (~juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:15] it's a good kind of madness we all have [07:15] oh - you back at lavenham area jcoxon? [07:16] the wife has asked how long will i be doing didle didle didle didle [07:16] wonder what she'd make of dominoex or olivia data modes [07:17] number10, nah i'm down in kent [07:18] I tried those frequqncies a few times to see if I could hear fom feld hell so I could tune my ear in and practice a decode - I think I was listening the wrong times as nothing [07:18] it's not often you'd hear hellschreiber on the air [07:19] I like to give it a try now and then, but haven't managed a contact yet [07:19] there are some regular broadcasts on a sunday I think - but not sure what part of the world they are from [07:20] this is a link jcoxon sent http://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/hellschreiber-frequencies.htm#freqs [07:21] number10, what radio do you have? [07:23] jcoxon "perfect weather for a launch", did you say? :) [07:23] just an AOR8200 - not as sensitive as an yaesu 817 [07:24] daveake, looks good down here [07:24] trees aren't moving at all [07:24] ok back [07:24] hey all [07:24] hello Darkside [07:24] payload all recovered fine [07:24] is in my backpack [07:24] Looking good here too. [07:24] performed well [07:24] Nice one Darkside [07:24] but it burst early [07:25] what are the rules about setting up a beacon [07:25] actually i'll be operating it so its not really a beacon [07:25] I'm about to load up the cars for the launch [07:25] number10, i'll rig up a hell beacon for the day [07:25] Nice one Dave, watching from Spain [07:25] on HF jcoxon? [07:25] Only me and Mrs Dave to launch and chase :p [07:26] So this time she'll have a proper job :D [07:26] that would be good jcoxon [07:26] Hiya Jack. How's the sun? [07:26] ooch lol [07:26] daveake If I can get mobile setup going I may help chase [07:26] Very, sun like [07:26] fsphil-laptop, could do [07:26] Cool. Call me on 07850 586430 if you want to meet up or co-ordinate [07:26] fsphil-laptop, daytime whats he best band? [07:27] OK [07:27] With just the 2 of us I'll probably be driving and using the car pc setup, so I'll be quiet on IRC till we park up [07:27] 40m or 20m I think ... for nearish 500km contacts 40m seems better [07:28] I'll see how it goes and let you know [07:28] Will take us about 2 hours to get to the rough area [07:28] number10, can you do 40m 7Mhz? [07:28] I mean approximate area .... not saying Cambridge is "rough" :) [07:28] lol [07:28] should be able to jcoxon [07:29] okay i'll rig it all up now [07:29] @LVL1WhiteStar: Dan Bowen's amateur superpressure improvement talk, video now on Youtube, based on prior meteo research- http://t.co/sny0JZx7 #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/125473374561517568] [07:29] we'll just to hellschreiber tx'ing a recurrent string [07:29] I don't have a very good antenna for hf here but since I'm fairly close it might work [07:30] I dont have an ideal antenna for 40m [07:30] nosebleedKT (~mixio@ppp091138193109.dsl.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. [07:31] well i'll have a go [07:31] hf is weird like that, often works with silly things :) [07:31] need to work out how to automate my tx'ing a bit [07:31] on the train to london yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tkqzIbSMv0 [07:32] nice vioew from train [07:32] patchy mist looked great [07:32] and the orange and blue sky [07:33] i've started collecting the videos [07:33] on the wiki [07:34] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host-78-147-65-23.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [07:34] Wil5on (~Wil5on@150.203.220.82) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:35] Wil5on (~Wil5on@150.203.220.82) joined #highaltitude. [07:35] just watching the recording of your bit jcoxon - -sound quality isn't great but image is great [07:35] was the web stream recorded? [07:37] yeah i think it was too [07:41] so [07:41] we think the balloon had a weak point [07:41] launch video shows the balloon was slightly distended on one side [07:42] its either that or the payload hit the balloon, due to the short balloon train [07:43] Dutch-Mill (3e2d7a74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.45.122.116) joined #highaltitude. [07:45] haha it descended almost as fast as it rise [07:45] rose* [07:54] Gmorning any info on the BUZZ1 flight ? [07:55] daveakes just packig the car and off to launchsite Dutch-Mill [07:56] i'll fix the tracker [07:56] anyone have details? [07:56] Oke thankz number10 [07:56] hey Dutch-Mill [07:57] Hey James [07:58] morning [07:58] Dutch-Mill, missed the ukhas conference yesterday! [07:58] anyone have any details on BUZZ-1 [07:58] i.e. what i should put on the tracker [07:59] does anyone have daves phoen number? [07:59] i could give him a call :P [08:00] +447850 586430 [08:01] futurity (~futurity@cpc30-cmbg15-2-0-cust1.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:01] ...could not be present I am in a renovation at the moment [08:01] bah [08:01] no answer [08:02] Morning. Any launches planned for today? [08:02] ok tracker is cleared [08:02] i dont have enough info to put in the stuff for daves launch [08:02] Bah! He's driving I bet [08:03] but i have the cambridge wind data being downloaded [08:03] I' out for lunch ...SeeY [08:03] i think he was planning on capping at 40km altitude [08:03] jcoxon: you have access to spacenearus, right? [08:03] Darkside, yeah [08:03] ok [08:03] ill try calling him again [08:03] hopefully he'll coem online [08:03] ooh now its ringing [08:04] okay number10 7.035Mhz LSB [08:06] ok time to go get some dinner [08:06] back on later guys [08:06] dave says he's waiting for gps lock [08:06] then he'll launch [08:06] bloody insensitive lassens :P [08:06] Cheers [08:07] Cheers Darkside :) [08:07] Not every day I get a call from Oz .... [08:08] .... especially from a (current) record holder :p [08:08] :) [08:08] ok - Il tune in jcoxon [08:08] nirish (bcdff43d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.223.244.61) joined #highaltitude. [08:09] Minor panic when the Lassen didn't want to get a lock (even time) .... it's happy now [08:09] OK, off to finish getting ready [08:14] billh_ (4e9356ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.86.174) joined #highaltitude. [08:18] daveake (daveake@daveake.plus.com) left #highaltitude. [08:19] Hi is there a launch planned today? Need another tracker? [08:19] daveake is launcing buzz on 434.650 [08:20] Cool. Is there an eta on launch? [08:21] about 930 - planned but look like he is running late as only just left for site [08:21] 9 ISH :) [08:22] it's on the map now [08:22] 10ish bst? [08:23] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:23] OK, about to set off. Launch site is just down the road so it won't take long to get there :) [08:24] Bon voyage [08:24] cool [08:24] wheres the ssdv link? [08:24] Buzz and the Lassen are happy. I put the car PC online a minute ago (thanks to Android wifi hotspot - cheers google) [08:24] lol [08:24] I gotta walk before I run [08:24] GW8RAK_ (~chatzilla@host-78-147-65-23.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:25] aww [08:25] It'll make a change if the map works :D [08:25] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host-78-147-65-23.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214] [08:25] no ssdv on this one? [08:25] Nick change: GW8RAK_ -> GW8RAK [08:25] ssdv in a 10g payload ... I guess that's the next target :) [08:25] :( [08:25] 100g [08:25] I could do.it [08:25] All I have in this is an 808 crap-o-cam [08:26] if someone would send me a jpeg cam [08:26] jcoxon - I can only hear morse on 7.035 [08:26] Right, off now. See y'all later. [08:26] daveake (daveake@daveake.plus.com) left #highaltitude. [08:26] we'd send the packets via aprs [08:26] Received email: Howard Smith "[UKHAS] UKHAS 2011 Thanks" [08:26] yeah i've been playing around [08:26] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [08:26] ok [08:26] bbl [08:26] will need to tune into the balloon soon [08:27] jcoxon, are you sending morse? [08:28] GW8RAK I think the plan is at somepoint to tx some hell to [08:28] GW8RAK, hell [08:28] feldhell to be precise [08:28] Morning number10. Solid cw here. will look for some hell [08:29] is this from a payload jcoxon? [08:29] GW8RAK, where is a good freq? [08:29] GW8RAK, no, my 817 [08:29] morning - also daveakes sending a baloon up soonish on 433.065 [08:29] 434.065 [08:29] It sounds like there may be a CW contest today. they don't normally get above 7030. [08:29] sorry yes 434 [08:29] 7038 and above is quiet here [08:29] is 40m best? [08:30] For inter G working yes, if you don't have a full licence and can get on 5Mhz [08:30] 80m isn't bad, but can be noisy [08:30] 7039Khz then [08:30] Going there and will listen [08:31] There's odd bits coming through, but can't find them on the waterfall [08:32] txing now [08:32] is it feld hell [08:32] yes [08:32] it'll chirp [08:33] CW that I'm hearing. Nothing heard [08:33] 5W output? [08:33] let me reorganise my setup [08:33] antenna could be better placed [08:33] Have you got it set to data mode? [08:33] could be massivley improved to tell the truth [08:33] give me 10mins [08:33] That goes for all of us [08:33] Wilco [08:34] perhaps we should discuss this on #hamaltitude [08:34] little OT [08:34] Okay [08:34] Won't get in way of launch chat [08:37] nirish (bcdff43d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.223.244.61) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:38] nirish (bcdff43d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.223.244.61) joined #highaltitude. [08:46] UpuMobile (~UpuMobile@83-244-221-34.cust-83.exponential-e.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:46] morning [08:46] Morning [08:47] everyone home safe ? [08:47] Great meet up yesterday, my train was cancelled but got home safely [08:47] hey UpuMobile [08:47] our balloon chase was a bit short [08:48] morning Darkside [08:48] what happened ? [08:48] burst at 9.3km [08:48] we think the balloon was faulty [08:48] either that or the payload hit the balloon [08:48] Russell says thanks for the streaming. Found it really useful. [08:48] No problems was it generally ok ? [08:52] morning al [08:53] UpuMobile: cheers for yesterday. really enjoyed it [08:53] i think a pretty overwhelming case for making it a regular thing [08:53] Any news of the BUZZ launch? [08:53] morning Ed no problems learnt alot [08:54] daveake is at launch site with buzz now [08:54] sorry for my pretty duff advice about shifting discussion to later :o) [08:54] well [08:54] What data mode's it using? [08:54] all ran over a little, first time learning excerise, I'll sit down with James and work out what to do better next time [08:54] but cheers for your very interesting talk [08:55] annoyingly FMLE crashed when I shut the netbook down and it seems to have lost all the recordings [08:56] i guess we've got fsphil's? [08:56] 434.650MHz USB, 50 baud, 7N2. [08:56] hopefully [08:56] number10: or just choose 'buzz' from the list [08:57] the recording seem fine eroomde and UpuMobile - sound is a bit faint with it being far away, and the screen isn't massively clear [08:57] but otherwise fine [08:57] encoding james bit now [08:58] ah great [08:58] thanks fsphil if you could upload to Youtube or something [08:58] seem to have lost the recordings from the webcam [08:58] you back in Ireland ? [08:58] still at nigeys [08:58] ok [08:59] good luck with launch [09:02] UpuMobile, i've started putting links on the wiki to various videos [09:03] the other nice thing about yesterday is it's got me fired up with lots of ideas [09:03] lots of interesting talks and chats and food for thought [09:03] eroomde, thats the main point of it! [09:03] :-) [09:03] GW8RAK and I just managed to have a QSL on 40m on hellschreiber [09:04] I'd assume RTTY, but the dl-fldigi autoconfigure's come up with WF (WTF?) ;) [09:05] futurity (~futurity@cpc30-cmbg15-2-0-cust1.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:05] futfutfut (~futurity@cpc30-cmbg15-2-0-cust1.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:06] futfutfut (~futurity@cpc30-cmbg15-2-0-cust1.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:06] futurity (~anonymous@cpc30-cmbg15-2-0-cust1.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:06] jcoxon: awesome [09:06] hell is pretty cool [09:06] oh dear [09:06] Ah! I see what it's done. It's selected "Custom" RTTY shift without specifying a value... [09:06] ahh crap [09:07] cam someone fix that? [09:07] does anyone know if the payload is transmit tin gon the ground yet? [09:07] ...and the up-shot is that dl-fldigi tried using a shift of zero. [09:07] ugh [09:07] yep i see this [09:07] i can't fix it [09:07] morning jcoxon no problems [09:08] ...or maybe something small; I think there were two red lines very close together... [09:08] i've put a note on the tracker to set shift manually [09:08] usually it defaults to 23 [09:08] yeah its defaulting to 23 here [09:09] what's it suppose to be? [09:09] 425 i'd guess [09:09] safe guess anyway [09:10] M0JCU (56b0bf9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.176.191.155) joined #highaltitude. [09:11] g7waw (569ea45d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.158.164.93) joined #highaltitude. [09:11] WillDuckworth (~will@host109-158-31-192.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:13] i hear the signal on 425 i think [09:13] it doesn't appear to have launched yet [09:13] perhaps i'm imagining it i nthe noise [09:16] nothing here yet [09:17] It'd be nice if all launch essential details automatically found their way into the wiki... ;) [09:18] hehe [09:18] in saying that, I've got two lines 490hz apart :) [09:18] LazyLeopard: so it's more likely that you'd go to the tracker page and it would show all the details for the current launch [09:18] a bit like how the current tracker page sometimes does if it has been updated [09:19] Randomskk: the shift in habitat is wrong [09:19] so when you autoconfigure it goes to 23 Hx [09:19] hz* [09:20] NiegyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:20] can you fix it? [09:20] mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorning [09:21] Darkside: payload? [09:22] Buzz [09:22] should be? [09:22] 425Hz i thhink [09:22] not 100% on that [09:23] k. updated, wait a bit for cache to expire [09:24] ingersol (569ad3fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.154.211.251) joined #highaltitude. [09:24] SpikeUK (56a27567@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) joined #highaltitude. [09:26] I guess I tend to go to the tracker, butthe details there usually just give a frequency and a payload name, so if the autoconfigure isn't spot on you're left guessing. Oh, and th etracker only shows info once the payload's in the field, of course... [09:28] sorry chaps, i was tuned to 434.25 note 425. my rig doesn't tune to outside the HAM bands [09:29] LazyLeopard: new system will have telemetry details like shift, frequency etc as well (and things like launch site, project name, ...) and will do so near the flight's scheduled time [09:29] rather than just once in the air [09:29] *not [09:29] Randomskk: neat [09:29] G8DSU (~chatzilla@cpc6-mort6-2-0-cust170.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:30] fsphil-laptop, hows that video coming along? [09:30] Has the font on the tracker been changed? I found the altitude/... lotsharder to read than on previous launches. [09:30] jamesssssssss! [09:30] about 10% encoded jcoxon.. my laptop just ain't handling it well :) [09:30] editing is done though [09:30] haha [09:31] Nick change: NiegyS -> NigeyS [09:31] id crisis :| [09:31] daveake_ (~daveake@82.132.136.138) joined #highaltitude. [09:31] hey daveake_ [09:31] OK, launch in 5 mins [09:31] woo! [09:31] Damn car PC is f**cked [09:31] cool [09:31] is that 5 minutes ish? [09:31] daveake_: dl-fldigi will update the shift correctly now [09:31] Netbook ... Julie will drive so I'll be online :) [09:31] the backend db had it configured wrong [09:32] No, real 5 [09:32] M0JCU (56b0bf9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.176.191.155) left irc: Quit: Page closed [09:32] lol [09:32] daveake_: is the shift 425Hz? [09:32] as usual? [09:32] not a bill 5 minutes ? [09:32] Yep [09:32] lol [09:32] ok daveake_, the autocinfigure in dl-fldigi will work now [09:32] thanks to Re [09:32] Randomskk: * [09:34] Thanks Darkside [09:37] launch! [09:39] still nothing on 434.650 [09:39] hmm predictions not showing up for me [09:40] may i ask the frequency? [09:40] Can see it on waterfall. No decode yet in SW London [09:40] Launched [09:40] junderwood (~John@host86-176-191-155.range86-176.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:40] 434.65 [09:40] OK, back to house for 5 then we'll be on the road [09:40] UpuiPhone (~anonymous@212.183.128.41) joined #highaltitude. [09:40] nothing yet [09:40] in cardiff [09:40] Nice one daveake_ no prediction on this one? [09:41] I'll try and get the car up ... that was all set up on the f***ngcar pc of course [09:41] Prediction ~ Cambridge depending on lift [09:41] oh wait [09:41] nothing here either and i'm near cambridge [09:41] thats why theres ni predictions [09:41] Ok. Getting it. [09:41] no* [09:41] i got the wind data for cambridge [09:42] LazyLeopard: what frequency please? [09:42] 434.650 on dial [09:42] USB [09:43] yep, nothing here [09:43] 434651.2 is lower shift, drifting up quite quickly... [09:44] sorry guys i though it was launching from Churchill college Cambridge [09:45] i'm downloading wind data for daves area [09:45] 454.650.35 now [09:45] Cheers [09:46] daveake_: what are the balloon specs [09:46] payload weight, balloon size, etc [09:46] 1 sec [09:46] SpikeUK (56a27567@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:46] 1600g hwwwooooyeeee [09:46] 100g payload [09:46] first person to call the police and report a UFO wins 10 UKHAS Conference 2011 stickers [09:46] 1.2kg neck [09:46] LOL [09:47] might try recieving from London [09:47] just going back over to friends [09:47] Oh that would be so sweet [09:47] see if I can get on their roof [09:47] daveake_: so 39km or so? [09:47] at least thats what the predictor says [09:47] but given teh ascent rate [09:48] bbs [09:48] UpuMobile (~UpuMobile@83-244-221-34.cust-83.exponential-e.net) left irc: [09:48] Oh that damn car pc ... rebooted twice now it won't boot [09:48] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU [09:48] Might be a fan [09:49] daveake_: 1.2kg neck lift? [09:49] Nice clear sky earlier but overcast now. [09:49] was the balloon floppy? [09:49] the ascent rate is slooow [09:49] Yes and yes [09:49] ahh thats why then [09:49] oh [09:49] we found that one out on horus 15.5 [09:49] floppy balloon means increased drag [09:50] ok. prediction said 5m//s for that neck lift etc [09:50] it wil probably do that once the balloon fills out [09:50] what is the rate? [09:50] about 2.5 to 3m/s atm [09:50] ok [09:52] ascent rate is going up now [09:52] earthshine (~Mike@cpc1-orpi1-0-0-cust99.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:53] wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@221.220.189.81) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:53] ccool [09:53] When we get on the M4 I'll get the car gps set up [09:53] bit to bumpy on these roads [09:54] That's the first one I've actually done the inflation on [09:54] Actually I did all of it :p [09:54] Almost [09:54] current frequency please? [09:55] 434.551 on my dial [09:55] sorryt [09:55] 434.651 [09:55] wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@221.220.180.120) joined #highaltitude. [09:55] Thank you. [09:55] buympy typping [09:55] Got it [09:55] got it on the waterfall [09:55] :) [09:56] The ground plane is smaller than usual so that's pleasing [09:56] gap is down a biut from 425 [09:56] i'll adjust when i'm not being bounced around! [09:57] About 370Hz [09:57] yeah i see i just casn't use the trackpad yet! [09:58] fsphil-laptop, I was just wondering how you could see the signal in Ireland, but of course, you're not [09:58] 390hz here [09:58] lol [09:58] I get to cheat this time :) [09:58] hes cheating graham, slap him :p [09:59] lol [09:59] too weak to decode [09:59] got the whip inside the room [09:59] heh, video is 15% encoded [10:00] it'll still be encoding by the time I get home [10:00] hey fspil-laptop - what are you using? pitivi? [10:00] M4 now. I'll get the car locn set up [10:01] Hmmm... some abrupt direction changes in that prediction. [10:02] I see the path predictor is working on the tracker. [10:02] jayvee (jayvee@azaroth.sunriseroad.net) left #highaltitude ("the wonder, the wonder, the w...nooooooo..."). [10:03] chase car should be on the map now [10:03] just waiting for the map to load [10:04] Looking good dave [10:04] slooow ... hurry up please O2 :) [10:04] cool [10:04] Can anyone else see a matching pair of lines about 1100Hz below the main signal? [10:04] sounds like an image [10:05] Yes, but I've never seen it before [10:05] maybe its picochu ? :p [10:05] resurrected..lol [10:05] I set up a Canon A495 on tripod with CHDK to record stills of the inflation and launch [10:05] UpuMobile (~UpuMobile@host-2-102-192-26.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [10:05] Nice [10:06] :p [10:06] Only "unusual" thing re the radio is the ground plane is the curved base of Buzz's flying saucer [10:06] Genius Dave :) [10:06] daveake_: wht pressure sensor are you using? [10:07] also predictions are up and running [10:07] Frequency's now drifting down quite fast, and shift has narrowed below 400. [10:07] frequency is dropping here- and getting weaker. this whip just isn't cutting it [10:07] Predictions are cool. ;) [10:07] Predictions looking good. Landing at Diss, which would amuse the youth. [10:08] UpuiPhone (~anonymous@212.183.128.41) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:08] ok tracking [10:08] Not Suffolk AGAIN .... lol [10:09] So A12 a better bet than M10? [10:09] Action: LazyLeopard is using his colinear (whatever dl-fldigi's report might say) as it makes leaving the kit unattended easier... [10:09] We're doing M4 then M25 [10:09] We'll be needing more petrol! [10:10] So long as we don't need passports or a boat, I'll be happy [10:10] Darkside: ScP1000 [10:10] hoping for visual here if I get a gap in the clouds [10:10] daveake_, i'd do m11 rather than a12 [10:10] daveake_: ok [10:10] ok, cheers Jame. btw enyoyed your talk yesterday [10:10] James [10:11] enjoyed [10:11] bouncy tipping [10:11] a12 is a lorry road it can be particularly rubbish [10:11] sun in my eyes too [10:11] i've uploaded my slides [10:11] link is on hte wiki [10:11] yeah [10:11] cool [10:11] M11 for sure [10:11] Cheers [10:11] i didn't have any slides for my talk, given that i wrote it while jcoxon was talking before me >_> [10:11] why is it drifting so much [10:12] temperature [10:12] its -25 [10:12] wow [10:12] no insulation [10:12] It's a small payload with very little heat generationj [10:12] mine hardly got to -10 at this altitude [10:12] but others I have watched dont - maybe there is not much insulation in buzz [10:12] but i guess mine started at 40 degrees on the ground [10:12] Camera comes on at 30km which might help :) [10:13] battV is suffering [10:13] No, not much [10:13] jcoxon: I put slides links inline with talk description for my three [10:13] daveake_: wasnt it 4.5v? [10:13] could move them to your new slides section though [10:13] or just have links twice [10:13] Yes [10:13] I'm not getting any drift, but can only find the one signal at 434.651. [10:13] 4v seems a bit low [10:14] ic! temp inside nearly the same as temp outside [10:14] tenmp I guess [10:14] UpuMobile (~UpuMobile@host-2-102-192-26.as13285.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:14] need to go out but it's on 434.6471 [10:14] ] [10:14] i'll leave rig decoding the signal [10:14] i suspect it'll drift out of rangth though [10:14] signal totally gone here [10:14] ttfn [10:14] cheers [10:14] Randomskk, shall we link them twice [10:14] too much of a built up area to receive stuff [10:15] sure [10:17] daveake_, how many batteries? [10:17] 3 [10:18] Drifting a *lot* [10:19] Dial 644.03 shift about 340 atm [10:19] uh oh [10:19] -40 degrees [10:19] daveake_: nice speed you've got on your chase vehicle :P [10:19] the batteries are not going to like that [10:19] hahahaha [10:20] i think the website should cap the speed [10:20] :-) [10:20] Yeah, drift is fighting with the auto-frequency control, and missing a line almost every time it jumps, which is every other line at the moment... [10:20] i made chasetracker just report 0kph [10:20] my god, -43 degrees [10:20] nirish (bcdff43d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.223.244.61) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:20] and you're not even in teh tropopause yet [10:21] pretty cool that the predicated path is on the tracker now [10:21] Blimey he's hard to follow [10:21] Action: SpeedEvil was about to suggest that clicking the landing point on the map should bring up the time of landing. [10:21] daveake_: have you tested the cutoff voltage on your payload? [10:21] Only to discover it already does. [10:21] :) [10:21] i hope its a LDO [10:22] I guess it's winter. [10:22] could the temp affect the method of measuring hte voltage [10:22] yes. [10:23] resistor values will change with temperatoure [10:23] -48. Poor bugger [10:23] dunno by how much [10:23] ooch [10:23] nippy [10:23] Managed to get a decode by manually tracking the signal across the screen [10:23] daveake_: you might be setting a record here [10:23] UpuMobile (UpuMobile@ptr-11.244.219.82.rev.exa.net.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:23] whats dial frequency ? [10:23] looks like he's coming down [10:23] UpuMobile: 434.650-0.001t [10:23] lol [10:24] 639.2 [10:24] 434.64 [10:24] its drifted HEAPS [10:24] 434639.38 [10:24] -49 degrees C! [10:24] very ooch [10:24] I can hear it [10:24] lol [10:24] drift-o-matic [10:24] Frequency isn't so much drifting as free-falling... [10:25] New prediction? [10:25] 434.638 on the dial at present [10:25] bury st edmunds [10:25] you did put fresh batteries into it daveake_ ? :) [10:26] drift decreasing [10:26] If you increase the receive filter bandwidth in modem settings it seems to follow the drift a little better [10:26] almost stable [10:26] yeah getting decodes but so much noise here in london [10:26] Thanks James. [10:27] UpuMobile, did you have an original of the ukhas conference image? [10:27] Wonder why the drift stopped so quickly [10:27] so nearly getting it [10:27] ? [10:27] UpuMobile, of both parts [10:27] Yeah. I wish that bandwidth wouldn't keep resetting to 75 every time something else is tweaked, though... [10:28] yay got a stirng [10:28] only 5 sats? [10:28] yes [10:28] I have that fsphil [10:28] Got it set at 160 at the moment... [10:28] Oh FFS .... I was looking at the pressure reading instead of altitude LOL [10:28] Thought it had burst LOL [10:28] Drift resumed, but AFC can handle it [10:28] Life's trickky in a bouncy car! [10:28] UpuMobile, can you email me it or upload it somewhere. I wanna put it at the start of the video, but need to move the logo to fit it into 16:9 screen [10:28] the onboard reg will drop out around 3.1v [10:29] I'll have to do it when I get home fsphil [10:29] I doubled the bandwidth which helps cope with the drift [10:29] Slight altitude glitch there... ;) [10:29] UpuMobile, no worries. I can't encode it until I get home anyway, the laptop is *toooo* slow [10:29] uh oh, 3 sats [10:30] -53C. Does anyone know what the coldest recorded is? [10:30] cuddykid (~acudworth@128.243.253.217) joined #highaltitude. [10:30] temperature increasing [10:30] i've seen -75 degrees C on a met bureau sonde [10:30] Yeah ... sats :( [10:31] Signal strength is waaaay down at the moment here... [10:31] the problem is the DS18B20s don't report temps <-50 deg C accurately [10:31] One of my customers is going away where -70 is quite common [10:31] 51c [10:31] The SCP1000 has temp too [10:31] -51c even [10:31] getting warmer :) [10:31] if you can call that warm [10:31] looks like its gone through the tropopause [10:31] SCP1000 is the "internal" temp [10:32] i wonder how accurate it is at low temps [10:32] i also wonder what the altitude is [10:32] check cental london listening out : http://imagebin.org/179294 [10:32] i dunno if the standard pressure to altitude models work at these altitudes [10:33] no change in altitude on my map? [10:33] satellites I think jcoxon [10:33] 4 _should_ be enough for altitude [10:33] I think the GPS receiver may have hypothermia [10:34] No alt is stuck at 13344. [10:34] junderwood_M0JCU, i've seen it happen before [10:34] Hmmm [10:34] Hope it warms up then :p [10:34] recovered once it warmed up a bit [10:34] I HOPE :) [10:34] Darkside doesn't ;) :p [10:34] got pressure data to help out for now [10:34] not a great signal here considering it's not far away [10:34] yep [10:35] ok here in all the noise [10:35] based on the pressure, current altitude is 15.3 km [10:36] daveake_: be aware your speed is visible on the tracker [10:36] ooh my home station should be hearing it now [10:36] what's the dial frequency? [10:36] 434.636.6 [10:36] signal started to show red in my waterfall on this whip [10:36] Well spotted Darkside. We can all comment on daves driving [10:36] getting strong there [10:36] ....but it's veeeery faint here at the moment... [10:37] ...un-readably faint, it seems. [10:37] Darkside: Not *my* speed ;) [10:37] Obviously there's a conversion error in the chase car gps ... lol [10:38] 16.1km [10:38] ? [10:38] I only see 13344 [10:39] Up 2 degrees on external [10:39] rjharrison (~rharrison@62.49.185.11) joined #highaltitude. [10:39] converting from pressure [10:39] Ah, thanks :D [10:39] Hi all [10:39] Good to see many of you yesterday [10:39] morning Rob [10:40] might just disconect off down stairs for a min [10:40] Mornign Rob [10:40] Buzz's nuts are frozen [10:40] sat on the roof of our friends place in London [10:40] Hey Upu [10:40] Hey daveake_ [10:40] Why should the altitude freeze yet the other parameters are still working? [10:41] Four satellites not really enough? [10:41] GW8RAK: not enough sattelites? [10:41] GW8RAK I think this happens when there are not enough sat for alt [10:41] should be enough, but apparenlty isn't [10:41] yay [10:41] Weee got an altitude [10:41] 5 sats [10:41] maybe they're poorly placed [10:41] Right, external factor, not internal [10:41] 4 on the horizon aren't going to give you an accurate alti [10:41] i suspect it was also temp related [10:41] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:41] perhaps lassen struggling as too cold [10:42] could be [10:42] Wonder if it's to do with the titchy antenna [10:42] it needs to warm up [10:42] gps altitude working again? [10:42] the next issue is that battery voltage [10:42] (that dosen't sound good) [10:42] daveake_: where are the temp probes located? both outside? [10:43] Pis Buzz Pico [10:43] Is [10:43] its pretty tiny [10:44] met balloon? [10:44] yeah [10:44] i wouldn't trust alt right now [10:44] NOTAM? [10:44] @steamfire: My amateur superpressure improvement talk at UKHAS, video now on Youtube, based on prior meteo research- http://t.co/oG3e4qQl #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/steamfire/status/125522430142840832] [10:45] costyn ... there's not much difference between inside and outside! [10:45] daveake_: hmm that's pretty cold on the inside then :) [10:45] Very little heat to warm up the innards [10:46] buzz now audible in montrose decodes soon [10:46] sounds ine here in Central London [10:46] ingersol, thats good range! [10:46] where is Montrose ? [10:47] scotland [10:47] nice [10:47] what's the current dial? [10:47] Ascent rate looks spot on. That's pleasing :) [10:47] 434.639 [10:48] drifting up [10:48] warming up [10:48] I can here it here in yorksite [10:48] shire [10:48] i have 434.6396 [10:49] got the signal [10:49] in cookstown [10:49] $`BUZZ,777,30:49:11,51.95872,-0.73329,19819,26,62,-46,-48,6161,6,2.47,5*3F [10:50] hey Rob if you could put the conference pics online that would be great [10:50] Another fade... [10:50] correct that 434.6418 [10:50] 434.640 here [10:50] sure [10:52] Yay a full decode [10:52] getting most of the lines [10:52] just a bad character here and there [10:52] This is on a whip antenna [10:52] Watson 2000 [10:53] I'm on the rubber one that comes with the radio [10:53] strangly my guests don't have a suitable Yagi [10:54] inconsiderate [10:54] hey rjharrison :) [10:54] indeed [10:54] Signal really poor here for some reason or other... [10:54] lol [10:54] Stupid guests [10:54] they do howver have a nice roof top garden [10:54] ...which, given it's only 85kms away, is a bit odd. [10:55] guests or hosts - or did they bring the roof with them? [10:55] err hosts [10:55] :) [10:56] got a decode [10:56] Fine signal here on the M25, [10:56] my dl-fldigi isn't following the shift (i.e. the AFC not working) - any clues [10:56] cool [10:56] would be interesting to not only graph the altitude but also other parameters in the second tab [10:56] (feature request) :) [10:56] my AFC was too slow to follow it on that last increase of frequency [10:56] the green AFC light is on [10:56] It's better now, but still a lot fainter than it was earlier in the flight. [10:56] RocketBoy, under modem, you set the AFC speed [10:56] RocketBoy try setting a wider filter [10:57] yay batt voltage increasing [10:57] the dl-fldigi radio autotune seems to have packed up, though [10:57] very wobbly signal [10:57] yeah getting that [10:58] the distance indl-fldigi is that across ground or a straight line from me to payload ? [10:58] ground [10:58] thx [10:58] jcoxon yay :) [10:58] Whatever else happens, I think threre' some interesting data here re payloads with f-all insulation :p [10:59] http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/6.jpg baha, terry caressing the payload for one last time before launch [10:59] The autotune seems to work in one direction, but doesn't cope with a change in direction, and doesn't like manual intervention at the radio... [10:59] yo two green decodes!!! even more if the wind would stop turning the beam [10:59] there is a payload there Darkside ? [10:59] daveake_: Yep. ;) Expect a wild ride! [10:59] junderwood: fiddled with that - no difference - what have other people set thats working? [11:00] UpuMobile: http://projecthorus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/7.jpg [11:00] decoding again yay [11:00] 9 listeners currently decoding [11:00] bag with paper in :) [11:00] :) [11:01] heh [11:01] it worked fine! [11:01] RocketBoy, 370 shift. Fast AFC (V. Fast not available), receive filter BW 139 [11:01] is the frequency going all over the place because the transmitter is so cold? [11:02] yes costyn [11:02] well, due to temperature changes anyway [11:02] ok yes [11:02] junderwood_M0JCU: cheers [11:03] ingersol, what range does dl-fldigi say you are? [11:04] right I'll have to go pay some attention to the wife and hostd [11:04] hosts [11:04] good luck ! [11:04] Thanks !!! [11:04] Enjoying this :) [11:05] Glad the car PC packed in ... no chance Mrs Dave would have coped with keeping tuned in [11:06] jcoxon where do i look for that? i am getting greens but they are not showing up on the tracker! [11:07] great signal now that it's stabilised [11:07] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:07] ish [11:07] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:07] I wish to report an fl-digi bug - http://imagebin.org/179296 - its been doing it for a couple of flights for me now [11:08] ingersol, have you clicked autoconfigure [11:08] aha i see...526km [11:08] where are you intersol [11:08] RocketBoy, whats the bug? [11:08] also there is a bug tracker on git hub [11:09] in the afc [11:09] Back, and tracking again [11:09] im on the north east coast of scotland near montrose...i'll re-autoconfigure and see what happens [11:09] ingersol, only need to do that once [11:10] daveake_ (~daveake@82.132.136.138) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:10] ok lets see what happens now, autoconfigure reset the shift to 23! [11:11] refresh the payload list [11:11] or restart dl-fldigi [11:11] Ah well, time I headed out. Radio may or may not continue monitoring, depending on performance of frequency control and so on... [11:11] heh... it's saying 'bah' to the predicted path :) [11:11] jackclark (~jackclark@36.Red-79-144-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: jackclark [11:12] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [11:12] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:12] UpuMobile_ (~UpuMobile@host-2-102-192-26.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [11:13] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:13] wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@221.220.180.120) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:13] so close..$$BUZZ,872,11:13:15,51.95459,-0.70839,27988,35,94,(33,-38,1943,10,3.63,5*07 [11:14] very cool how the predicted route changes :) [11:14] futurity that way it's always right in the end :-) [11:14] yes :) [11:15] great for the chasers [11:15] UpuMobile (UpuMobile@ptr-11.244.219.82.rev.exa.net.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:16] what shift are people using right now? [11:16] 345 here [11:17] 330, but 340 would be nearer [11:17] 370 working for me [11:17] just keep the filter bandwidth big [11:17] wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@221.220.180.120) joined #highaltitude. [11:20] RocketBoy_ (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:20] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:20] Nick change: RocketBoy_ -> RocketBoy [11:20] a green one $$BUZZ,892,11:18:21,51.94170,-0.67876,29926,27,167,-33,-35,1419,9,3.71,5*07 [11:22] Your first decode ingersol? [11:22] yes but they are not appearing on the tracker. I have reconfigured so not sure what I'm doing wrong [11:23] ingersol, do you have upload enabled? [11:23] (online) [11:24] After the first one, you'll be hooked [11:25] In the CL Client menu online should be ticked [11:25] i've tracked others with no problem so don't know what i've done wrong today. [11:27] brb, heading for the train station [11:27] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host109-157-38-126.range109-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:27] fsphil-laptop (~phil@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: I'm doing science and I'm still alive! [11:29] NigeyMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:30] test [11:30] Nick change: UpuMobile_ -> UpuMobile [11:31] getting positively balmy up there [11:31] on its way down [11:33] seems so [11:34] ping DanielRichman [11:34] hi [11:34] max alt...$$BUZZ,944,11:31:30,51.93[vX.48044,34663,118,90,-23<-27,838,8,3.43,5*E......34663? [11:34] I seem to have load the notam_and_restrict.kml off nessie [11:34] The kml_testing dir [11:34] Has it been erased? [11:35] I didn't copy the kml testing stuff from nessie, no. I didn't realise you still used it [11:35] sorry [11:35] Yep that does the notam overlays on the pred and tracker [11:35] Can we have it back? [11:36] sure, one second [11:36] new google.maps.KmlLayer('http://www.habhub.org/kml_testing/notam_and_restrict.kml', {preserveViewport: true}); [11:37] cracking s7 signals up here just sorry I was unable to upload decodes... good flight. [11:37] rjharrison: can I rm kml_testing/notaminfo.com? [11:38] humm can I have a quick look in there [11:38] and I'll claen up [11:38] i'm on kraken atm [11:38] k lemme just fix permissions [11:38] shift please [11:40] NigeyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:40] NigeyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:40] chown rharrison :-) [11:41] rjharrison: it looked like you got an email every day when it updated the KML; do you still want that? [11:41] no [11:41] NigelMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:41] mkay Imma silence that and add the cronjob under user www-data [11:41] sure probably should move it out of testing dir too [11:42] daveake (~daveake@82.132.249.11) joined #highaltitude. [11:42] Damn internet [11:42] burst ? [11:42] #Anyway .... on its way down [11:42] Likely landing posn? [11:43] cutdown hasn't triggered [11:43] Either burst or broke [11:44] lost reception at 21115m see you all next time. [11:44] not having much luck tracking this time [11:45] drifting like mad ;) [11:45] NigelMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:46] getting a pulsating pattern on dl-fldigi. is it spinning? [11:46] i bet it's tumbling [11:46] Anyone got a landing prediction? [11:46] signal stronger now [11:47] the map says Cottenham [11:47] just north of Cambridge [11:47] i font trust that [11:47] dont [11:47] i suspect it'll be much closer to the current position [11:47] between Shillington and Shefford [11:48] Temperatures plummeting on the descent [11:48] which field is temperature [11:48] see it [11:48] any suggestions why is the landing spot changing so much? [11:52] drift slowing [11:54] Can someone suggest where we head to plz [11:54] jackclark (~jackclark@36.Red-79-144-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined #highaltitude. [11:54] tracker says waterbeach [11:55] from tracker i'd go to Milton Tescos [11:55] from there you can choose the right road to go north from [11:55] A10 or A14 north of Cambridge both look good [11:55] intersting pressure reading btw [11:55] tracker just shifted to Girton, [11:55] Cheers [11:55] from where [11:55] oh wait... normal is 100k Pa isn't it [11:56] you are. Head to Duxford and then up the m11 [11:56] costyn, why? Looks about right for the altitude [11:56] Nice job daveake [11:56] track has predictions moving west [11:56] junderwood_M0JCU: my bad [11:57] landing on cambrudge XD [11:57] :D [11:57] may still land at the Churchill launch site [11:57] LOL [11:57] My plan all along :D [11:57] how long until landing? [11:57] 30 mins [11:57] i need to pop out, but i'm the closest fixed based tracker [11:58] I should have it down to about 1500 m [11:58] won't be back by then [11:58] i'll leave kit on tracking though [12:00] daveake, prediction is heading back towards Bedford. A428 looks good [12:01] I'd head up M11 and then across A603 [12:02] as perdition moving south [12:02] Descent speed is increasing. That isn't supposed to happen :) [12:02] you could go all the way over to Royston and up [12:02] Agrred. Ermine way looks good [12:02] s/Agrred/Agreed [12:03] This is silly. I'm having to retune >1 kHz per string. [12:04] NigelMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:05] the landing spot keeps moving further and further back [12:05] !! [12:05] daveake: no matter what, you're goin gto want to keep on going along the A505 and then up the A1198 [12:06] its the only way you'll get near it in time [12:06] daveake (~daveake@82.132.249.11) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:06] almost made it to ears [12:06] Descent speed isn't really slowing. I think there's a lot of balloon interfering with the parachute [12:08] Looks like it's going to be a nice safe landing [12:08] rapid one at that [12:08] hmm his position hasnt updated for a while [12:09] haha 126kpg [12:09] daveake (~daveake@82.132.249.20) joined #highaltitude. [12:09] kph* [12:09] junderwood_M0JCU - I thionk your right - perhaps the chute is twisting up [12:09] whats the speed limit on the M11? [12:09] dunno [12:09] lol [12:09] isn't it 70? [12:10] km/h [12:10] 70 thingies [12:10] 70 mph [12:10] OK reaching A603 jn [12:10] 112 [12:10] 120 ~= 80 [12:10] daveake, need to follow A603 [12:10] looks like a safe place to land anyway [12:10] OK [12:11] rjharrison: 126kph = 77mph [12:11] :) [12:11] I'll have a word [12:11] That's far too slow [12:11] watch out for that airfield.... [12:11] lol [12:11] at least the frequency seems to have stabilised [12:11] yes [12:12] OK, so why does the map show a place called "North East Cambridge" that's West of Cambridge? [12:13] lol ... Looks treey atm [12:13] daveake: cambridge reality distortion field :P [12:13] I've done "sea". "Tree" is next [12:13] ah lol [12:14] 3000ft. signal OK [12:14] same reason weeks start on thursday, mayweek is in june, triposes have two parts and also four years, etc [12:14] Oops. Gone [12:14] Makes perfect sense [12:14] yup [12:15] daveake: take some photos of the chute for me (looks like a tangle of some sort methinks) [12:15] Will do [12:15] It wasn't one of yours :D [12:16] ok signal gone here [12:16] daveake: got a yagi? [12:16] Yep [12:16] You're safe anyhow [12:16] :) [12:16] sounds like you might need to do some DFing [12:16] especially if you have a lassen :P [12:16] LOL [12:17] B1046 has two farms on it I'm betting one of those is the land owner [12:17] Last I got: [12:17] $$BUzZ,1115,12:15:13,52.36 56,-0.90656,00377,14,61,9,10,98762,4,4.30,5*03 $$BmZ,1116,12:15:28,52.16070,-0.10553,00272,18,85,10,10,99991,4,4.31,5*32 [12:18] bbl [12:18] RocketBoy (steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left #highaltitude. [12:18] second coords seems good [12:18] Anyone get anything better? [12:18] definitely in a field :-) [12:19] D: [12:19] :D [12:19] Will put those in the car sat nav now [12:19] it wont help [12:19] :P [12:20] the coord is a fair way away from teh road [12:20] you need to turn right at wimpole along a1198 [12:20] ok give me a place name then [12:20] ok [12:20] hope you like field walking dave..lol [12:20] longstowe [12:20] lol [12:21] daveake are you parked at orwell atm? [12:21] didn't notice! [12:21] just stopped so i could work the sa\t navg [12:21] EI5GTB (~EI5GTB@host-92-20-30-1.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [12:21] UpuMobile (~UpuMobile@host-2-102-192-26.as13285.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:22] lgng top longstowe sapp 6 miles [12:22] ok well you can keep going if you like and turn right at the cross roads [12:22] Roundabout actually [12:22] thinkk I caqn just hear it via the magnmount [12:22] bumpy road lol [12:23] ok at roundabout take third exit [12:23] cheers [12:24] done [12:24] gonna be on ure left in 1 of those fields [12:24] ok five mins you will get to longstowe [12:24] tvm [12:25] rjharrison, how's ure legs today? ! [12:25] Fine :-) [12:25] bah im just unfit lol :( [12:25] After the 4 floors [12:25] 10 pizzas are heavy! [12:26] fsphil-laptop (~phil@82.132.210.188) joined #highaltitude. [12:26] phiiiiiiiiiil [12:26] Nick change: fsphil-laptop -> fsphil-train [12:26] yo yo [12:26] oioi, got a ticket this time? lol [12:26] yes ;) [12:26] :p [12:26] daveake you still with us [12:26] though technically I'm on the wrong train, but ah well [12:27] chase car not updating [12:27] oh buzz is down! [12:28] Holy cow, I thought that was a runway dave crossed. Nice pad. [12:28] ok take next left to longstowe [12:28] ingersol (569ad3fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.154.211.251) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:29] Missed it [12:29] daveake hold your horses dude [12:30] ok [12:30] Stopped# [12:30] Nothing with the yagi [12:30] go back and take the next right to longstow [12:31] daveake that's good [12:31] cool [12:31] It's on the ground [12:31] Mrs Dave was going to :) [12:32] Ok keep going and i will tell you wne to stop [12:32] Do you have a mobile numbr [12:32] 07850 586430 [12:33] UpuiPhone (~anonymous@host-2-102-192-26.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [12:35] payload recovered ? [12:36] daveake (~daveake@82.132.249.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:36] fsphil-train (~phil@82.132.210.188) left irc: Quit: I'm doing science and I'm still alive! [12:37] Gillerire (~Jamie@219-90-224-179.ip.adam.com.au) left irc: Quit: Quit [12:37] I don't believe so [12:38] But it's not in the sea, which is nice. [12:38] yeah thats always a bonus :) [12:39] They are hear atm http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=52.166393,-0.101885&hl=en&sll=52.166999,-0.099763&sspn=0.006295,0.016094&num=1&t=h&vpsrc=0&z=16 [12:39] here [12:39] paload is here http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=52.16069,-0.10443&hl=en&ll=52.161363,-0.103619&spn=0.012742,0.034397&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=25.285886,70.444336&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=16 [12:40] ok cool will check back later [12:41] UpuiPhone (~anonymous@host-2-102-192-26.as13285.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:42] hey a new decode [12:43] griffonbot (~griffonbo@kraken.habhub.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:51] only about 20 minutes drive from my ouse [12:51] juxta (~juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [12:52] do you need a hand trying to find it? [12:52] actually only 10-15 minutes drive away [12:52] WillDuckworth (~will@host109-158-31-192.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [12:53] I'm sure Dave would appreciate a hand. [12:54] he'll probably have it by now [12:54] Hope so [12:54] lookes like he can just walk straight to it, maybe over a fence or two [12:54] Nice [12:54] yep should be fairly easy to find [12:54] by the time i get there i'm sure he'd have it [12:55] Woo! [12:55] looks like there is a track to the south of the landing site [12:55] Congrats [12:55] but they are on the itehr side [12:55] (in advance) [13:02] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude. [13:06] futurity (~anonymous@cpc30-cmbg15-2-0-cust1.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:09] futurity (~anonymous@cpc30-cmbg15-2-0-cust1.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:15] well [13:15] SpeedEvil r u here? [13:15] Dunno. [13:15] got dome binary question [13:15] :) [13:15] some* [13:16] LH = 0x00; [13:16] LL = 0x80; [13:16] If your question is entertaining, or you paypal me money, or send me interesting chocolates. [13:16] thats gives 128 [13:16] eee, stop! [13:16] listen [13:16] LH and LL are bytes [13:17] i want to represent 256 dec [13:17] with those two bytes [13:17] Right. [13:17] thats the question ! [13:17] The more sigificant byte is simply number/256 [13:18] (as an integer) [13:18] (rounded down) [13:18] The less significant byte is originalnumber - (256* most-significant byte) [13:18] Or originalnumber %256 [13:18] can you tell me the values for LH and LL? [13:19] The range of one byte is 0-255 [13:19] y [13:19] So - given that 255 is 'FF' - what must the two bytes be? [13:19] i can fit 256 dec in 1 byte ? [13:19] No. [13:19] no [13:19] ok [13:19] You can go 0-255 [13:19] ok [13:20] Or 1-256 if you use an alternate encoding. Or indeed 100-355 [13:20] But normally - 0-255 [13:20] LH = 0x01 and LL = 0xFF [13:20] LH is 'worth' 256* LL [13:20] jackclark (~jackclark@36.Red-79-144-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: jackclark [13:20] So, what is LH*256 +LL? [13:21] It's like decimals [13:22] you go [13:22] 00 01 ... 09 10 [13:22] It's just you have 'numbers' with 256 values from 0-255, not 0-10 [13:22] 0-9 [13:30] is this correct? [13:30] LH = (256 >> 8) & 0xFF; [13:30] LL = (256 >> 0) & 0xFF; [13:34] NigelMoby (~nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:34] G8DSU (~chatzilla@cpc6-mort6-2-0-cust170.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20110928134238] [13:35] its LH = 0x01 [13:35] and LL = 0x00 [13:36] jackclark (~jackclark@36.Red-79-144-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined #highaltitude. [13:39] NigeyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:39] NigeyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:39] Payload recovered [13:41] yey \o/ [13:45] jcoxon (~jcoxon@87.114.254.240) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:46] Nice [13:47] daveake (~daveake@82.132.249.13) joined #highaltitude. [13:47] Afternoon :) [13:48] Thanks everyone for helping. [13:48] Keeping the tracker locked in was almost a full time job, so well done everyone who managed that! [13:48] daveake: congrats [13:48] Special thanks to Rob for phoning and giving guidance on finding the field [13:49] Payload intact. Parachute very tied up. Camera took photos and video but not great quality. Looks like the lens was a bit frosty [13:51] great news that its recovered [13:51] daveake your welcome loads of people have donr that for me [13:51] Yes :) [13:51] We had a great signal when we got to the nearby road. [13:52] Buzz was the right way up and the GPS was still updating [13:53] Oh, and thanks to Number10 who turned up in his car as we were getting ready to trek across the fields :) [13:56] jackclark (~jackclark@36.Red-79-144-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: jackclark [13:56] jackclark (~jackclark@36.Red-79-144-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined #highaltitude. [13:58] Hey Jack. I got him back :) [13:59] Cracking job. [14:00] Didn't get to the altitude I was expecting, and the tracking was difficult because of the rapid temperature changes, but otherwise I'm very please. [14:00] d [14:02] I bet you are mate, stylish looks and did the job. Win. [14:03] If you're working in Spain we'll order a new chute :) [14:07] :) [14:07] I'll let you know on that ... :p [14:07] Anyway, off home. Later., [14:07] daveake (daveake@82.132.249.13) left #highaltitude. [14:08] billh_ (4e9356ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.86.174) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:13] priyesh: Just order it! [14:13] We'll work out how to waterproof it when we get it [14:13] Like covering it with epoxy or something [14:14] argh [14:14] wrong room [14:16] jackclark (jackclark@36.Red-79-144-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left #highaltitude. [14:17] NigeyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [14:17] NigeyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:19] anyone know the weight of 3 lithium aa's ? [14:20] its in the datasheet [14:21] ahh kk cheers [14:22] 14.5 gms each? :O [14:24] they are much lighter than normal alkalines [14:24] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:24] true, but this is for a pico, i cant use 3 of them on that, that'll be way to heavy :( [14:25] will have to find a way to insulate the lipo better i think [14:25] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [14:26] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:26] gb73d (gb73d@88-110-48-9.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:27] RocketBoy_ (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:27] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:27] Nick change: RocketBoy_ -> RocketBoy [14:28] fsphil-laptop (~phil@82.132.248.94) joined #highaltitude. [14:28] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:29] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:29] aaah airports [14:29] gotta love 'em [14:30] dont tase me bro [14:30] haha [14:30] eyup phil [14:30] g'day NigeyS -- things returning to normal there? :) [14:31] lol laurenceb [14:31] fsphil-laptop, slowly..lol [14:31] laurenceb did you spot the blue teddy bear appear at the conference? [14:32] Dutch-Mill (3e2d7a74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.45.122.116) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:32] MikCx (~mikcx@82.69.41.180) joined #highaltitude. [14:33] the train didn't go to temple meads, went to bristol park way. they had a replacement bus the rest of the way [14:33] eugh thats annoying [14:34] I got on the earlier train, nobody noticed [14:34] dont blame ya [14:34] http://twitpic.com/71a5g2 [14:34] lols! [14:34] mmm I should bring yoshi next time [14:37] Paradoxial (~Paradoxia@pool-108-28-22-94.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined #highaltitude. [14:38] Can anybody give assistance with CHDK&? [14:39] I'm struggling to find a way to switch from taking Photos to then take a video, then loop... [14:39] Anyone done anything similar before? [14:40] I'd be interested in that too [14:41] So far, I have managed to write a script to switch the flash off, then the LCD, and to flash the indicator LED to let me know the script is running... [14:41] &it then beeps 5 times to start the 5 minute countdown, then 4 beeps at 4 minutes and so on. [14:42] The Autofocus is locked to infinity, to avoid the camera trying to refocus, or messing up if I have any himidity/freezing on the lense& [14:43] &all this is working fine, but I just cannot seem to find a way to switch to Video after taking the batch of photos. [14:45] I can only remember people doing video or pictures, but not both [14:48] grub time, brb [14:48] fsphil-laptop (~phil@82.132.248.94) left irc: Quit: I'm doing science and I'm still alive! [14:49] MikCx: I'm reasonably sure its been done [14:50] Me too - I have read a tonne of pages / scripts etc& and it seems as though it has been done using SDM, which I think is an offshoot of CHDK. [14:50] Someone was commenting that they were doing it about last week [14:51] (here) [14:52] Problem being that although I understand uBASIC (and can cobble together a rough script), I'm a bit lost with LUA [14:59] http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.2832 [15:12] fsphil-laptop (~phil@82.132.136.204) joined #highaltitude. [15:13] MikCx, you need a special build of CHDK. It won't do it out of the box [15:13] I think rjharrison has one on his web site somewhere [15:15] nosebleedKT (~mixio@ppp091138193109.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Quit: If you run you only gonna die tired [15:15] was buzz recovered? [15:16] yes [15:16] excellent [15:17] daveak, 14:40 Payload intact. Parachute very tied up. Camera took photos and video but not great quality. 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[15:57] Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Li-Ion and cold" [15:57] NigeyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:58] Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Li-Ion and cold" [15:58] MikCx (~mikcx@82.69.41.180) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. [16:02] UpuMobile (UpuMobile@ptr-11.244.219.82.rev.exa.net.uk) joined #highaltitude. [16:02] afternoon [16:03] Hi [16:03] Balloon landed quite close to my house [16:03] Did Buzz get recovered ? [16:03] yep, photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157627906790438/ [16:05] nice one [16:05] love the payload shape [16:05] UpuMobile (UpuMobile@ptr-11.244.219.82.rev.exa.net.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:05] Nice flying saucer design [16:05] UpuMobile (UpuMobile@ptr-11.244.219.82.rev.exa.net.uk) joined #highaltitude. [16:05] nasty tangle though [16:05] Just 1km off a perfect touchdown at Gransden Lodge airfield ;) [16:05] well seemed to be a safe landing area [16:06] a bit of balloon left [16:06] Lots of fields round this way [16:06] with low hedges. very few trees [16:06] anyone know what balloon it was? [16:06] didn't weigh much either was it a very small parachute ? [16:06] 1600g Hwoyee wasn't it ? [16:06] might be wrong [16:06] just seen the tangle of string. Does anyone know if that happened up in the air, or on the ground? [16:07] ouch very tangly, alot smaller than i thought to [16:07] didn't get to 1600g Hwyoee heights [16:07] and what the chute was [16:07] Ah Nigey [16:07] explain the cuddly toy at conference pls [16:07] I'm pretty sure the tangle happened on the way dow [16:07] down [16:07] I was looking at the descent rate at 30Km, 20km & 10Km and 5Km [16:08] impressed that it didn't tangle the parachute strings [16:08] converting the descent rate at those alts to what the landing speed would be it just got faster and faster as it came down [16:09] haha upu you spotted giggles! [16:09] he was my unofficial mascot :p [16:09] well no choice you asked me to put it next to the screen :) [16:09] Action: SpeedEvil suspects that the proper rights for that map have not been obtained. [16:09] :) [16:09] suspect it was spinning and twisting up [16:11] NigeyS| (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:11] NigeyS| (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:11] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:12] I leant one lesson today - trying to locate a ballon on your own while mobile, with no internet connection - is near on impossible [16:12] learned [16:12] :) [16:12] RocketBoy, i'll do the picochu 2 write up later tonight, with the measurements etc [16:12] Evening #10 :) [16:13] did you se the pics daveake http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157627906790438/ [16:13] NigeyS|: looking forward to it [16:13] Nope ... [16:13] ... just got home a few mins ago [16:13] Buzz on Buzz: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150332062007654&set=o.138475046220867&type=1&theater [16:13] NiegyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:13] Nick change: NiegyS -> NigeyS [16:14] No pink payload, but Julie did weear pink to bring us luck ;) [16:14] daveake: what chute was that? [16:14] Crap one [16:14] 14" hexagonal [16:14] Top Flight? [16:15] I figured that seeing as Buzz was only 100g, it wouldn't need much [16:15] Sounds familiar [16:15] I'll check my emails for sure, Steve [16:15] just interested [16:15] Of course, np :) [16:16] Nigel (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:16] Nick change: Nigel -> NigeyS|| [16:16] http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/6249703513/in/set-72157627906790438/ - that was such a great view :) [16:16] not in a tree [16:16] so good :) [16:16] Not a tree :) [16:16] or the sea for that matter [16:17] We just had to walk round some fields and through a bush [16:17] NigeyS| (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:17] I see no sea [16:17] I'm going to have to buy some more pink gaffer after this weekend :) [16:17] A wood was nearby [16:17] :) [16:17] I'll sort the NTX2's out when I get home [16:17] RocketBoy: It was spinning very fast at one point. The tracker waterfall had a pulsating pattern to it. period of about 3 or 4 a second [16:17] just on train [16:18] thats how all UFOs pulsate and buzz [16:18] ;) [16:18] NigeyS (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:19] futurity: I gave up listening as my mac dl-fldigi was annoying me [16:19] grr irc playing up today [16:20] Well the frequency was drifting around like mad and needed constant returning unfortunately. I guess due to poor insulation perhaps? [16:20] *retuning [16:20] it seemed to settle down [16:20] but at one point the drift was quite dramatic [16:20] would be interesting to see plots of the temperature and descent rate [16:21] i guess as it goes up, there are altitudes where the direction of temperature direction changes? [16:21] Between retuning the receiver/dl-fldigi, fixing the internet connection when it went down,keeping up with IRC and the map, it was a full time job! [16:21] I think i saw a 30 degree angle at one point, but it made it quite fun tracking it [16:21] Yep [16:22] :) always fun to help track [16:22] I should hand out gold star stickers for everyone who managed to track :) [16:22] We had a great signal all the way on the road aside from when filling up with petrol (big roof over the filling area) and of course when it landed. [16:23] daveake: yeah - IMO what you really need is someone in command and control - they watch the tracker and give driving directions over the (handsfree) phone [16:23] I have stickers left over from the conference :) [16:23] or someone should integrate the tracker with a car GPS [16:23] that would be a good hack [16:23] I thought of that :) [16:24] TomTom HAB Edition [16:24] yeah [16:24] I wrote a program last week to show the direction to the balloon as a compass. [16:24] I was thinking of taking the output and putting into memorymap [16:24] But that was on my now unwell car PC [16:24] yeah - i guess relative to car direction might be quite useeful [16:25] That's what I did [16:25] juxta (~juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:25] NigeyS|| (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:25] NigeyS|| (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:26] I tested it during the week and it worked very well. Sadly the car PC stopped working during the balloon fill [16:26] yeah that would be good [16:26] The program peeks the dl-fldigi [16:26] decoded data, plus a separate GPS receiver, then does some maths that I found on the web [16:26] RocketBoy, PICOCHU-1,527,20:19:46,51.83771,-3.06468,7263,7,-16*73D5 .. that was the last telem line before we lost the gps :( [16:26] ah - oldschool thats how i used to do it [16:26] how do you get the data from fl-digi [16:27] Listen to a socket port, the the number of which I forget [16:27] used to parse the fldigi logs and feed into google earth [16:27] I found out by running netstat -a to see what ports it opened [16:27] MoALTz (~no@host-92-18-16-12.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:27] I'll get the car PC fixed then I'll use it next time [16:28] Would have been handy today [16:28] ping UpuMobile [16:29] hey cuddykid [16:29] Hi suddykid, get home ok? My train was cancelled lol [16:30] Hi UpuMobile :) do you have the files for your iPhone app? I'm a dev so would be able to install on my iPhone, currently it's not jailbroken so I download it :( [16:30] its on a Cydia Repo somewhere dunno if thats the source though 1 sec [16:30] Hi futurity, yes thanks, was a long journey back but got back in the end! Oh no, that's not good - was there another one? [16:30] UpuMobile: ahh ok, thanks :) [16:31] yep, there was a train i didn't even know about that I got in the end [16:31] good stuff! [16:31] http://ukhas.org.uk/general:chase_car_trackers [16:31] Great event btw. Really enjoyed it [16:31] UpuMobile: thanks [16:31] agree futurity [16:32] if you want source [16:32] cheers [16:32] mail Matthew whos address I just PM'd you [16:32] And we're really fired up to get building a pic payload [16:32] tell him I said to ask him for the source [16:32] its on github somewhere I think [16:32] I'm very interested in the new radio bits [16:33] nice to see you are going for a PIC payload futurity [16:33] especially the ability to work away from 075 frequencies [16:33] most others are using AVR arduinos [16:33] Well my co team member is a electronics engineer doing nothing but PIC [16:34] you are nearby to cambridge futurity? [16:34] I have a AVR myself, but also used to program PIC ASM years ago [16:34] PIC ASM? Have you recovered yet? [16:34] they are very small (surface mount ones) and the watchdog timer means they can be very low power consumption [16:34] Yep live in Melbourn (just south of Cambridge down the A10) [16:35] number10 do you do PIC assembly or C? [16:35] C [16:35] my assembly days are over [16:35] do you know if there are any free PIC C compilers? [16:36] the Hi-Tech ones seem to cost £1000s [16:36] I bought the CCS C compiler years back and use that [16:36] I use CCS. But don't Microchip provide free ones? I think they just turn off the optimisation if you don't buy it [16:36] you can download the microchip one - light version for free depending on the processor you select [16:37] i see thanks [16:37] The good thing about the AVR chips is the amount of libraries out there [16:37] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:37] and easy SD card support [16:38] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:38] I should really look at those futurity - just stuck in old ways [16:38] hopefully using PIC surface mount components we'll be able to do a pico launch [16:38] Russell is also stuck in PIC mode. [16:39] AVR look very tempting, but the PICs may have advantages [16:39] dont be temped by the dark side [16:39] I'll try not to [16:39] lol [16:39] you are under my spell [16:39] does it really make any difference at all? [16:39] these days small ARMs are getting pretty affordable [16:40] the pic and the avr are both performing the same system role [16:40] not really [16:40] and assuming C for both [16:40] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [16:40] no they are all fairly well supported [16:40] and both can use tinygps etc [16:40] the difference is basically cosmetic [16:40] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:40] Best high altitude craft ever: http://l4ppyloops.info/#718 [16:40] i think the Arduino's may be easier for school kids to program though [16:40] In some ways, I want all these little 8 bit chips to go away. And for ~100MHz 32 bit with 16M ROM and RAM and MMU to be available in qfn32 at a comparable price-point and power. [16:40] you're still using the same GPSs and radios and balloons and boxes and cameras [16:41] Indeed. Use whichever you like. [16:41] but think of the power consumption SpeedEvil [16:41] There is a Phillips ARM single chip board with integrated SD card and ethernet support we're interested in [16:41] not for payloads though [16:41] Action: SpeedEvil notes that his phone uses ~3mA when 'on'. [16:41] And logged into wifi and ssh [16:41] I wouldn't use an MCU without good free compiler support [16:41] PIC are great for low power :) [16:41] AVR and ARM are literally as good [16:41] single chip computer wars ;) [16:41] AVR's picopower stuff tends to just win out on most PICs, and a ton of ARMs are about the same level [16:42] I've not looked at the AVR power consumption to be honest [16:42] Action: SpeedEvil stabs BTs rate adaption algorithm. [16:42] I think its good for everyone to use a range of devices - It would be a shame if everyone just copied eachother [16:42] can you put the chip to sleep and use the watchdog timer to wake it up for time delays? [16:42] yes [16:43] as with pretty much any microcontroller [16:43] As my modem synched at 400K today, it's going to be another 3 days till I get back to sane internets. [16:43] IMO bad compiler support is a huge minus to me, and I don't see how the PIC makes up for that, so I don't get why people still use them [16:43] zyp: agreed [16:43] Hey Randomskk did you say you're going to release the details on Wombat radio , like circuit design etc ? [16:43] I generally prefer AVRs solely due to compiler support [16:43] UpuMobile: yea [16:43] Yes PIC compilers aren't freely available with any decent library support [16:43] you have a point zyp - and I must admit I pay compiler maintenance fee to CCS [16:44] btw. noone mentioned MSP430 yet [16:44] ok interested whenever you feel its ready, might have a play round myself inbetween [16:44] and more often than not when they release a new version they break stuff [16:44] i've seen so many AVR code examples its insane. [16:44] it's supposed to excel at low power consumption [16:44] UpuMobile: the schematic and pcb design for the eval board I made is on my github along with some ARM code to use it [16:45] got a link [16:45] ? [16:45] https://github.com/adamgreig/adf7012_dev [16:45] the arm is 16bit or 32bit? [16:45] thanks [16:45] source is mainly in main.c, PCB files in pcb/ [16:45] futurity, 32 [16:45] mostly 32 [16:45] well I work with Arduino so will have to convert it [16:45] nice, and it also has watchdog timers to put the CPU to sleep to save power? [16:45] shouldn't be hard. [16:45] Paradoxial: /me is reminded of the aphorism. 'With enough thrust, pigs fly just fine'. [16:46] message "it works yay" :) [16:46] :P [16:46] futurity, ARM Cortex-M cores are «MCU profile», i.e. only thumb instructionset, which is 16-bit instruction words, but the working registers are still 32-bit [16:47] and they generally have even more power saving features than 8-bit MCUs [16:47] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:48] also the cost is now basically the same order as a pic16/18 or an atmega [16:48] all clocks are gated, so every peripheral that's not used can be completely turned off [16:48] Any like the AVRs are there open source libraries and plenty of example to get you started, or like the PIC are you on your own from the very start? [16:48] for a mcu that's near an order of magnitude more clock speed, ram, flash, tons more peripherals that are also more powerful, etc [16:48] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:48] futurity: varies. there are a lot of manufacturers for ARM codes, like ST and NXP [16:48] NigeyS|| (Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:48] ST release a library for their STM32 series which is pretty decent. vanilla gcc will compile for them, so compilers are not an issue [16:49] of course, forgot that ARM is a design, not an implementation [16:49] that project I linked to above uses ChibiOS, an RTOS that supports STM32 [16:49] and the RTOS then has a HAL that drives all the peripherals through a standard interface [16:49] I've used chibios [16:49] it's pretty easy to get started with [16:50] i don't suppose arm chips have built in ethernet support? [16:50] some have [16:50] the ARM core wouldn't - it's a CPU [16:50] but many MCUs have MACs builtin, for instance [16:50] (STM32F107 line, for instance) [16:50] still require an external PHY [16:50] true but the Phillips arm chip i think had it built in [16:51] there are some other chips that have MAC+PHY builtin [16:51] futurity, LPC17xx? [16:51] though that's a lot less common [16:51] can't remember now, not relevant for payloads though [16:51] speak for yourself, I use long ethernet cables for downlink :P [16:51] unless wifi from payload to ground (that would be nice) [16:52] RocketBoy_ (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:52] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:52] Nick change: RocketBoy_ -> RocketBoy [16:57] NigeyS|| (~Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:58] RocketBoy_ (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[17:11] i guess it could be quite good with a downward pointing yagi [17:13] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [17:15] RocketBoy_ (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:15] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:15] Nick change: RocketBoy_ -> RocketBoy [17:15] RocketBoy has a poor connection [17:18] yeah mines better and I'm on a train :) [17:19] lol [17:19] jcoxon (~jcoxon@87.114.254.240) joined #highaltitude. [17:19] futurity, I think the range would be limited by the round trip delay even if you were able to get good enough signal strength [17:20] Upu train? [17:20] Thought you drove down [17:20] yeah omw back from London [17:20] no [17:20] left car at Wakefield [17:20] Wife finished work in Heckmondwyke so only 20 mins from ther [17:20] e [17:20] but wifi travels at speed of light, so the RTT should be low ;) [17:21] if the signal is clean [17:21] Upu cool [17:21] just at Newark [17:21] 802.11n(eutrino) goes faster! [17:21] At least in france. [17:22] evening all [17:22] hey jcoxon [17:22] Good day yesterday [17:22] evening James [17:22] yeah [17:22] big success [17:22] especially for a first time [17:23] glad people got alot out of it [17:23] Pipped py interest in super pressure [17:23] futurity, RTT of a 1km link would be ten times the RTT of a 100m link [17:23] mine in radio :) [17:23] Yep Upu good effort there too [17:23] futurity, in terms of wifi that is not low RTT [17:23] any more videos online yet? [17:24] no for some reason FLMR didn't record the presentations even though record was running [17:24] not sure why [17:24] hmmm [17:24] so relying on fsphil [17:24] hmm i think the RTT issues of WIFI are more due to signal loss and retried packets than the time it takes for the data to travel the extra distance [17:24] I know it was running because I missed the first 1 min Ed's presentation and I was a little annoyed [17:24] but i agree that the longer the distance the more packets would be lost [17:25] unless the aerials are enhanced to increase transmission and reception [17:25] Will have a debrief with you when I get back jcoxon but a) we should do it next year b) I have lots of ideas to make it even better [17:25] mainly radio mikes... [17:25] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [17:25] and some way of getting the presentations on the stream [17:25] http://kg4ymg.com/ukhas/ [17:25] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:26] oh lovely [17:26] futurity, I'm not actually sure if this applies for wifi, but at least I know for a fact that the limiting factor of the max length of a GSM link is the signal travel time [17:26] I'll grab that later [17:26] I think I heard that wifi has a similar limitation [17:26] yeah its a tinny big [17:27] don't think getting that on 3G is a good idea [17:27] no problems at home [17:27] To be honest I'm not that glued up on radio links. Russell uses cheap wifi network modules for serial to internet communication [17:27] I reviewed the chat from batc.tv site and the general complaint was audio but otherwise ok [17:27] might be fun using one of those [17:27] anyway got a year to come up with a solution [17:28] are the videos and presentation files available online? [17:29] jcoxon could you make an authoritive list of the attendees then some how how randomise 12 of them so we can decide who to give these NTX2 modules too please [17:29] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:29] all my slides and jcoxon's slides are, futurity [17:29] see the conference page [17:29] futurity, I had a «mobile communication» course last year when I was studying EE, we went in depth of various radio protocols there, most of it were GSM though [17:29] futurity a few are up on conference page [17:29] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:29] bbl [17:30] Thanks I'll take a look. Would be good to watch them all again as I didn't take any notes while I was there [17:30] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:31] I'll download that file and chop it up into talks this evening [17:34] I love the idea of that radio module being able to bump the power up, technically once its on the ground its a beacon can I get run it at full power for 2 hours to aid location [17:34] RocketBoy_ (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:34] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:34] Nick change: RocketBoy_ -> RocketBoy [17:35] zachjacobs (~zachjacob@h137.219.30.71.static.ip.windstream.net) joined #highaltitude. [17:40] RocketBoy_ (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:40] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:40] Nick change: RocketBoy_ -> RocketBoy [17:40] hmmm is there a way to view a m4v without downloading it all [17:40] ? [17:40] zachjacobs (~zachjacob@h137.219.30.71.static.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:42] I'm downloading it now to home jcoxon if its the ukhas thing, I'll split it up [17:43] a player like mplayer or vlc can stream it while you watch [17:43] ok going QRT bbl [17:43] UpuMobile (UpuMobile@ptr-11.244.219.82.rev.exa.net.uk) left irc: [17:45] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [17:46] zachjacobs (~zachjacob@h137.219.30.71.static.ip.windstream.net) joined #highaltitude. 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[17:58] Income [17:58] argh [17:58] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host109-157-38-126.range109-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:03] junderwood_M0JCU (~John@host86-176-191-155.range86-176.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:10] @adamcudworth: Going to rewrite code for #HABE2 to neaten it up - annoyed I can't test it though as all my HAB stuff is back in worcs #UKHAS #arhab [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/125634821090328576] [18:15] yey this new soldering iron is awsome [18:31] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:39] fsphil-m (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:1a87:96ff:fe3e:ef31) joined #highaltitude. [18:40] Ta Da! [18:42] boo [18:42] home yet? :p [18:44] Yep, not long back [18:44] Great flight [18:44] yey, glad to see the back of public transport eh? :p [18:45] Totally :D [18:45] lol, im building picochu-3 [18:45] Nice [18:45] new soldering iron is much better [18:46] Was just looking at that board wondering [18:46] oh? [18:46] If I should build it tomorrow [18:47] yes u shuld :p [18:47] Wanna try some hellschreiber on it [18:47] ahhh, ill email the schematic over [18:50] I forgot I left my room in such a mess. Blah [18:50] haha u were just hoping the fairies would tidy up for ya :p [18:52] I made the mess looking for the satnav charger. Didn't find it either [18:52] :o shocking :p [18:53] I'm sure someone keeps moving things around [18:53] have i inspired [18:53] lots of hellschreiber [18:53] i think you have james [18:54] Indeed [18:55] I'll try the gal version, see how different that behaves [18:55] Er, fsk [18:55] That pink tape has gone to my head [18:56] lol [18:57] forgot how tedious making the antenna was that we used friday phil :/ [18:57] http://slashdong.org/2011/10/15/pen15-board/ <=the last missing shield for aurdino... [18:58] Aah yes [18:58] That coax is annoying [18:58] yup, made a bloody good antenna mind [18:59] fsphil-m (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:1a87:96ff:fe3e:ef31) left irc: Quit: wheeeeeee [19:03] there we go [19:03] haha [19:04] slashdong.org is brilliant [19:06] no fair, it's colder here than in wales :p [19:07] Lunar_Lander (~Miranda@p54A07A46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [19:07] hello [19:07] ah thats what all the police copters were about yesterday [19:08] anonymous in London :P [19:08] ooh I missed that ;) [19:08] jcoxon, been reading some of the posts about Hell on the picaxe forum. Quite a few solutions [19:09] julien ass-henge was there [19:09] :=) [19:10] zachjacobs (~zachjacob@74-137-89-16.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:10] jcoxon: try using the backup battery pin on the fsa03 [19:10] dont connect directly to the lipo tho... i dont think it can take 4.2v [19:10] GW8RAK: i think you'll find a lot of posts about Hell on picaxe forums [19:10] also Christian ones [19:11] Laurenceb_, yeah [19:11] i reckon the mass i save removing ht rubber cover allows me to add a small coincell [19:12] hey jcoxon eroomde Laurenceb_ GW8RAK nosebleedKT NigeyS|| fsphil [19:12] howdy Lunar_Lander [19:12] the 3.3v rail should work [19:12] Yes, they seem to be variations on the orginal format, but just as readable, i.e. 5 *7 squares rather than 7 * 7 [19:12] Evening Lunar [19:13] isnt there a binary OOK format? [19:13] not in fldigi [19:14] hmm [19:14] wont the 500baud native si4432 mode work? [19:14] or is it too wide? [19:14] was BUZZ successful? [19:14] i think its too wide [19:15] Action: Laurenceb_ checks datasheet [19:17] NigeyS||, you get the digital iron? [19:18] hmm yeah 2Khz [19:18] and 1Kbps with optional manchester [19:18] you could sent retune commands to do 50baud RTTY [19:19] 50Hz timer interrupt sending the spi commands [19:21] MikCx (~mikcx@82.69.41.180) joined #highaltitude. [19:26] are you using the arduino RF22 code? [19:32] Lunar_Lander (~Miranda@p54A07A46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [19:32] wee bk [19:32] NigeyS|| (~Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:33] NigeyS|| (~Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:33] meh [19:33] fsphil, yeah i got the digital 1 this afternoon [19:37] Lunar_Lander (~Miranda@p54A07A46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [19:37] so [19:37] back [19:37] GW8RAK : how are you today? [19:38] http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMBEVEURTG_index_0.html [19:46] Jasperw (~jasperw@2001:470:1f08:1caf::2) joined #highaltitude. [19:49] fsphil!! [19:50] the jpeg cam has secret baudrates ! [19:50] i manages to use it at 230400 baud ! [19:50] managed* [19:50] im copying the writing the pic on the microsd in <9s [19:51] :) [19:53] the pictures have normal size but are unviewable ! [19:53] MoALTz (~no@host-92-18-16-12.as13285.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:56] slight flaw then :) [19:57] http://forum.linksprite.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=415 [19:57] g7waw (569ea45d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.158.164.93) left irc: Quit: Page closed [19:57] people report normal usage over highspeeds [20:01] futurity (~anonymous@cpc30-cmbg15-2-0-cust1.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: futurity [20:19] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host-78-147-65-23.as13285.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:21] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host-78-147-65-23.as13285.net) joined #highaltitude. 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While we have some experience of working with electronics, none of us are particularly prof [20:37] hi somnium [20:37] Hi [20:37] part of your message got cut off [20:38] Received email: Nigel Smart "Re: [UKHAS] Li-Ion and cold" [20:38] oh, il post the second half [20:38] A similar project we have seen is, http://www.hexoc.com/pages/hab/ferret.php I wondered if anyone could offer any advice with regard to creating/ operating such a system, or whether there were any resources you could recommend. [20:39] have you taken a look around the ukhas wiki ? [20:41] radio tracking and gsm backup is a good plan [20:41] publishing some of the talks now [20:41] hi somnium welcome to the right place [20:41] I second that - a backup tracker is a must if you want to significantly increase chances of recovery [20:42] not a radio one though, an sms or gprs one :) [20:42] How many people attended the conference Upu? [20:42] Yes I have had a good look around the wiki and found some really useful advice. But I have very little experiance in this type of thing. From research we plan to build a arduino based tracker. And use a mobile phone with GPS as a backup tracker. [20:43] 43 ? [20:43] wow - that is good [20:43] somnium: sounds like a good plan :) [20:43] I counted 30 before the second crowd arrived [20:43] It looked and sounded like it was buzzing (excuse the pun) [20:44] there are some fantastic tutorials on Upu's site somnium :) [20:44] sounded like the second croud turned up on mas [20:44] meh [20:44] yea, they did [20:44] 1 tutorial :) [20:44] it's very good :) [20:44] What us the site? [20:44] nosebleedKT (~mixio@ppp091138193109.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Quit: If you run you only gonna die tired [20:44] http://ava.upuaut.net/ [20:45] but the tutorial is also on the ukhas wiki ukhas.org.uk [20:45] http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 [20:46] take it one step at a time somnium and it will all come together [20:46] and just stay on here you'll pick heaps up :) [20:46] Upu: just having a look at the photos of the sea landing - incredible! [20:46] check the video :) [20:47] brilliant!! love how it self rights and bobs [20:47] really calm sea [20:47] amazingly calm [20:47] I think I have a rough idea of the components needed. Arduino board, NTX2, suitable GPS and an antenna. Then of course the radio at the other end. Is there anything im missing? [20:48] and that guide looks really useful. And the video looks amazing! Just the sort of results we are hoping to get! [20:48] that's pretty much it [20:48] luck [20:48] radio at the other end is imporatant [20:48] you need some of that [20:48] lol yeah [20:48] lol yes, lots of luck [20:48] somnium: you forgot the 20 megaton nuclear device. [20:48] and some helium helps to ;) [20:48] and you need some pink gaffa ;) [20:48] or hydrogen ;) lol& [20:49] ha, we have a flight team sorting out that side of the project! [20:49] xD [20:49] nice [20:49] hi number10 Upu cuddykid somnium [20:49] hi Lunar_Lander [20:49] Hi Lunar_Lander [20:49] Lunar_Lander is the channels meet and greeter :) [20:50] XD [20:50] :) [20:51] hmm.. I need to get on and try and get a society for habbing set up here at notts [20:51] Does anyone how hard is it to program an Arduino board? We are thinking about getting a computer scientist from the uni to help with that. [20:51] Idiots can do it. [20:51] Action: NigeyS|| is an idiot [20:51] I'm going to try and rope some specialist people in (comp sci, electronic engineers, mechanical engineers.. ) [20:52] there is nothing wrong with UKHAS chuddykid [20:52] Anyone of reasonable intelligence can learn to do it. [20:52] somnium: very easy, it's effectively C.. but there's a lot of code around :) [20:52] Maybe not do it well - depending on aptitude. [20:52] But adequately. [20:52] ping laurenceb [20:52] number10: to complement UKHAS, like a CUSF [20:52] IC [20:52] :) [20:52] yes local interst is good [20:52] We have done basic C++ so far at uni so that may be helpful. [20:53] should be helpful, though C is slightly different I believe (not object orientated.. though I may be wrong) [20:53] I hadn't done much programming but it was ok :) [20:54] jcoxon (~jcoxon@87.114.254.240) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:54] somnium: any comp sci person should be able to code it dead easy [20:57] What type of antenna would be best for this [20:58] 1/4 wave ground plane for payload and yagi for ground [20:58] though a whip for ground would probably suffice [20:59] number10 (569e1bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.158.27.248) left irc: Quit: Page closed [20:59] zachjacobs (~zachjacob@74-137-89-16.dhcp.insightbb.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUtCA6MLcT0 James talk [21:00] cuddykid: thanks i will look into those [21:00] no problem, they are detailed on the wiki I believe :) [21:01] zachjacobs (~zachjacob@74-137-89-16.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined #highaltitude. [21:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nziw0RCkOE Darkside [21:05] Hiena (~boreger@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:07] cuddykid (~acudworth@128.243.253.217) left irc: Quit: cuddykid [21:10] YAY thanks Upu [21:12] working on them they won't all be done tonight [21:15] NigeyS||: What's the new soldering iron? [21:15] http://www.maplin.co.uk/60w-lcd-display-solder-station-218050 [21:16] meh audio on Adam and Dan's chat is broken up [21:21] Hmm, my tin can internet is refusing to load the Maplin site for some reason. I see the title, anyway :) I need to pick up a cheap temperature-controlled station at some stage. [21:22] ahh, its a good station, comes with some decent tips to which is pretty rare ! [21:23] Yeah, that's always an added cost [21:29] Upu: so that video is from the stream webcam, right? [21:30] ello dan [21:30] hi [21:32] Upu: http://www.nevis.co.uk/ [21:32] does that woman work for you?! [21:33] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) joined #highaltitude. [21:33] jgrahamc (5ec23f9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.194.63.158) joined #highaltitude. [21:33] hey jgrahamc, daveake [21:33] Looks like buzz found a good landing spot [21:33] Action: Laurenceb_ suspects answer is no [21:33] Evening all. Yes, very nice spot :) [21:34] works here laurence [21:34] Evening [21:34] she does? [21:34] Laurenceb_: it changes on every refresh [21:34] lol [21:34] He landed the right way up, no damage, still working fine [21:34] WHY [21:34] Picked up with ease I imagine [21:34] nickolai (~nickolai@184.17.121.254) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:35] gb73d (gb73d@88-110-48-9.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Quit: Whoosh we're gone [21:35] hi daveake [21:36] Evening ! [21:36] Just uploading the photos to flickr [21:36] Cool [21:37] fsphil: hey, were you recording at the conf? [21:37] was indeed DanielRichman [21:37] :o [21:37] ran out of space right at the last lightning talk [21:37] so, how's your internet connection :P [21:37] lol [21:37] you should have given the files to one of the guys who have the stupid gigabit uni internet ;P [21:38] I'm going to upload them to youtube tonight and tomorrow [21:38] nice :-) [21:38] I noticed you swapping sd cards; must have been .. a lot of data [21:38] Upu has uploaded the recorded stream too [21:39] yeah. It had to be compressed quite a lot to stream it though [21:39] yea. video quality is great, although the sound is a bit weak [21:39] we need clip-on mics next time [21:39] yeah there was some talk of radio mics [21:40] friend of mine has one, but he only got it back after I left [21:40] Mr Richman and Mr Griegs finest Habitat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKu_Q7AyI6o [21:40] http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157627784758417/ [21:42] I like http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/6250890156/, which is a blatant rip-off of http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UjYEcQ5Hl0E/SrsWP3A2uBI/AAAAAAAAG00/BQ-FMxM7Ux0/s400/Discovery.jpg [21:42] thats cool :) [21:43] On-board crap-o-cam did work, but the photos were, erm, crap as expected :p [21:44] lol dave [21:44] Have I got a poor memory, or are most balloons looking fully inflated at that point? [21:45] Neat looking payload. [21:45] MikCx (~mikcx@82.69.41.180) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. [21:45] :-). That pretty much was the entire reason for the flight :) [21:46] If it had reached as far as Norfolk then it might have scared any locals into thinking they were actually being invaded from outer space :D [21:48] This shot by Number10 who turned up as we were getting ready to walk across the fields to retrieve Buzz - http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/6249703513/in/set-72157627906790438/ [21:49] great signal from it daveake [21:49] Cool. I saw on IRC some people had trouble. Our signal was clear though of course he shifted across the waterfall at a rate of knots [21:50] oh yea it drifted like a drunk pirate [21:50] :D [21:50] Quite a job keeping up [21:50] but was pretty strong [21:50] I left it decoding when I went for the train - it tracked to about 200m below where it burst [21:51] A lot of the launch photos wre from a Canon A495 (bought for CLOUD3) set up on a tripod. [21:51] 200m? Better than we did (500m) ! [21:51] oh, sorry, mis-read [21:51] yea, max-200m :) [21:51] We lost at 500m altiitude [21:51] Blurry eyes :D [21:51] how quicky did you get the signal back again? [21:51] Been sleeping through stricly and crap-factor [21:52] I guess about 15 minutes [21:52] We weren't too far away. rjharrison called me and gave directions to near the field. [21:53] Then I got a great signal from the yagi, got an updated posn and gave him that. Number10 had a hand-held gps which we then used to guide us along the fields [21:53] I DF-d to confirm, but we knew where to go anyway [21:54] The magmount worked from a couple of miles away. That was such a nice noise to hear after the static :D [21:54] it so is! [21:54] I could fall in love with that familiar warble starting to appear :) [21:55] With cloud1 we only had a posn from 4000m. Static from the magmount will we got 0.5 secs of warble. We stopped PDQ then got the yagi out. [21:55] till [21:56] sssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh ... warble ... ssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh [21:56] :) [21:57] we got the signal at NigeyS's place but only weakly. He needs to get a radio mast :p [21:57] :) [21:57] Fortunately the window in my home office faces east - ideal for any flights fro Cambs [22:00] Finished off one helium cylinder (eleft over from cloud2), so that can go back tomorrow. SOme left in the new cylinder [22:00] Guess I need to build another payload :p [22:01] muhahaha [22:01] it's the perfect reason :) [22:01] :D [22:01] Might launch in cambs next time [22:01] / excuse [22:02] Save getting another notam. [22:02] Then DM might have some time free ......... [22:02] oooh [22:03] I bet mine is down the back of the desk, behind the coffee cups [22:05] I think he used it to mop up spilt coffee [22:07] fergusnoble (~Adium@c-76-21-106-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude. [22:07] earthshine (~Mike@cpc1-orpi1-0-0-cust99.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: earthshine [22:08] Big Buzz showing off the payload - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/6251638688/ :) [22:08] jcoxon (~jcoxon@87.114.254.240) joined #highaltitude. [22:09] good night [22:09] night [22:10] Not quite sure why I was getting poor signals just before I had to go out for the day, but I was using the colinear outside rather than the usual yagi, and it may have had a bit more roof and trees to look through... [22:11] wb jcoxon [22:12] jcoxon (~jcoxon@87.114.254.240) left irc: Client Quit [22:12] eroomde do you have a link to your presentation/online videos ? Just putting you part up on YouTube now [22:13] Lunar_Lander (~Miranda@p54A07A46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [22:13] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [22:18] daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [22:21] somnium (02da03e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.218.3.225) left irc: Quit: Page closed [22:22] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.70) joined #highaltitude. [22:24] Dan-K2VOL :-) [22:24] Hello NigeyS|| [22:24] hey :) just sent u an email actually..lol [22:25] I recognized you in the video! [22:26] uhoh, i tried to avoid the cameras..lol [22:26] I realized that I didn't know what most people look like, but you have your face on your twitter lol [22:26] ahh true! [22:28] Hey Dan [22:29] Laurenceb_ (~Laurence@host109-157-38-126.range109-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:29] just uploading the videos cheers for recording the stream [22:30] hey upu! [22:30] I've linked yours from here http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference [22:30] you're welcome, doughecka did all the video streaming and recording setup :-) [22:30] the local recording failed [22:30] thanks to Doug [22:30] I've put thanks Dan Bowen/Whitestar on each video [22:30] you're welcome [22:30] :) [22:31] audio was a little choppy in bits will work on that next year [22:31] could have actually been the netbook running out of cpu to transcode the video and audio [22:31] :-) it was ok, definitely understandalble [22:32] fergusnoble (~Adium@c-76-21-106-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:32] haha might have been :-) [22:32] it did well for anetbook though upu [22:33] aye its the best laptop/netbook I've had, screen is failing on it but I dont' want to get a new one :) [22:33] Right Ed's bit is up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0uR15JgbaE [22:34] schweet [22:37] gah look at the time [22:37] night ! [22:37] nn dude [22:39] fsphil-laptop (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:219:d2ff:fe09:a6b9) joined #highaltitude. [22:39] its phiiiiiil [22:40] making antenna radials is so much fun.......not! [22:42] bbl friends [22:42] cya later Dan :-) [22:43] antennas are always fun [22:44] cheers! [22:44] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@69.64.6.70) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:44] yush phil, i love picking off that shielding mm by mm lol [22:48] Paradoxial (~Paradoxia@pool-108-28-22-94.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: : [22:50] I should probably have copied these video files over cat5 and not wireless [22:51] ooo i think that would've been wise [22:59] what program where y'all using for the stream? [23:00] fergusnoble (~Adium@c-174-62-66-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude. [23:01] I'm not sure -- I think batc.tv have their own software [23:06] wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@221.220.180.120) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:10] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@96-28-234-61.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:11] wb Dan [23:13] juxta (~juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [23:14] RocketBoy (~steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:16] hmm.. would also help if I was copying it to the right machine [23:17] hi nigey [23:17] do all of you UK guys know about the BBC 'So you want to be a scientist' contest? [23:18] heard of it yup dan, think its just started [23:18] I'd enter the darn thing, but it's UK citizens only [23:18] missed that one [23:18] meh that sucks :/ [23:18] Dan-K2VOL: yes [23:18] Dan-K2VOL: I listen to material world regularly. [23:18] I hope somone here is going to try for it! [23:19] They had a couple of interesting ones. [23:19] ahh me too! [23:19] through podcast though. For this latest episode? [23:19] Last year it was 'do snails have a sense of direction' and Noctilucent clouds. [23:19] It might be interesting to do something with that and HAB [23:20] It was pretty neat for that nice old lady to stir up a bunch of scientists to start studiying snail neurology! [23:20] after she proved they can find their way home over long distances [23:20] It's also an awesome project for involvement. [23:21] I can't think of anything that I could suggest that's got a hope of being approved. [23:21] I mean - I want to try to see if the cost of micro space launch can be vastly reduced. [23:21] I think noctilucent clouds are brilliant [23:21] yes, honestly I'd like to see a mobile app for doing theodolite measurements on balloons, so many people could track no-payload tests of small superpressure balloons [23:21] But that's more 'so, you want to be an engineer' [23:22] Oooh! [23:22] :-) just give me a mention somewhere if you do that one :-) [23:22] You could get a moderately decent pointing 'sight along this line' - with the gyro and magnetometer [23:22] bingo [23:22] and with lots of them, probably a pretty accurate estimate [23:23] hehe combine it with a telemetry map display app, and your followers are instantly your trackers [23:24] fergusnoble (~Adium@c-174-62-66-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:27] Wil5on (~Wil5on@150.203.220.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:29] RocketBoy (steverand@5acfd4f7.bb.sky.com) left #highaltitude. [23:40] NigeyS|| (~Nigel@cpc5-cdif13-2-0-cust232.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:42] so I think we're doing a launch on Tuesday. huh. [23:43] EI5GTB (~EI5GTB@host-92-20-30-1.as13285.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:50] shipit_ (~shipit@67.221.38.11) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:51] Wil5on (~Wil5on@funkyrooster.it.nicta.com.au) joined #highaltitude. [23:53] fergusnoble (~Adium@c-174-62-66-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude. [23:55] oooh [23:56] what cha flying stilldavid? [23:56] gonna try to do a lightweight payload but have two gopro cameras [23:57] same flight computer as last time, and probably throw the spot in there for backup [23:57] oh stilldavid, you silly antigravity man [23:57] Hm. I've been called a lot of things in my life... [23:57] hahaha [23:57] ooh 2 gopros [23:57] nice [23:57] I just think those go-pros feel like lead when I'm weighing out balloon parts :-P [23:58] yeah, gonna point one up and get the balloon burst in 720 60p [23:58] nice [23:58] cooooool [23:58] Dan...I sent up 4 GoPro's last April [23:58] oh man, they sure do. not sure what the target weight is just yet, but it'll be on a 1500g balloon [23:58] I'm still to fly just one -- it'll be up on the next one [23:58] hiya, WB8ELK [23:58] stabilized the payload with six foot carbon fiber poles [23:58] should try using a DVD laser burner to initiate artificial burst [23:58] was very stable [23:58] watch that one [23:59] wB8ELK you should try mounting the go-pros on the ends of the poles for better 3-D [23:59] parallax [23:59] WB8ELK: did you have anything at the end of the poles? [23:59] well...one of the poles broke on descent....still very stable even so...didn't want to risk them at the end of the pole [00:00] --- Mon Oct 17 2011