[00:00] same here [00:00] I started reading the book by Paul Verhage [00:00] (the HAB flyer from Kansas) [00:00] hmm didn't realize he had one [00:00] was released on parallax.com [00:01] in fact it is 15 PDFs [00:01] http://www.parallax.com/tabid/567/Default.aspx [00:01] Zuph (~bradluyst@2001:470:8:626:222:43ff:fe71:9992) joined #highaltitude. [00:02] parallax is doing paul quite the dis-service with that "UAV" disclaimer at the top. in the USA these balloons are specificaly exempted from the horribly restrictive UAV laws [00:03] likely to get some eager lawyer after him just for fun [00:03] true [00:03] the FAA 101 exempt right? [00:04] the UAV section, wherever that is, makes an exception for balloons, I don't know what section it's in, but it's not the traditional balloon section [00:04] yes [00:04] 101 IIRC [00:05] that you can have 12 lbs split into two packages and so on [00:05] that's the section that doesn't deal with UAVs [00:05] that's the balloon section [00:05] oh ok [00:05] that's been on the law since the 1960s, the UAV thing is very new [00:06] ah [00:06] but the exempt is like a dream come true I would say [00:07] yes, I suspect it won't be around for long [00:07] once homeland security finally figures out how cool it is [00:08] ohhh :( [00:08] so we'd need to get NCAR to do a small balloon project which runs under the exempt [00:08] so that it keeps existing [00:08] or NOAA or so [00:09] nah, basically they would just change the law so it's only legal for gov't agencies, or everyone has to file an application that just gets rejected based on a nebulous "hazard to the public" clause [00:09] yea [00:10] but here in germany for instance [00:10] they require you to call in 8 days before launch [00:10] and if I got them correctly, that is it [00:10] just one more call just before liftoff [00:11] I'm actually going to try to have the law amended to be more in line with current technology, to have an ADS-B transmitter onboard, which could be done with something as simple as the APRS radios we already use [00:11] yes [00:11] or something like that [00:11] you can do that? [00:11] I mean sending in a suggestion for amendment or so [00:11] anyone can lobby to have a law made or changed [00:11] ah [00:11] that is great [00:12] you have to put in a bunch of time with a congress person, and convince them to put their name on your suggested law, and they submit it for a vote in congress [00:12] nice [00:12] actually this would be a regulation, so I'm a little less clear on the rulemaking process for that, but it's possible to try [00:13] yeah definately [00:14] I think that the kind of balloon we're flying should absolutely require ADS-B. floating at airline cruising altitude. I'd have one on board now, if any of the damn airlines would get off their ass and install the receivers in their planes [00:16] true [00:16] yours is a little different story than normal HAB# [00:16] yeah, but I'd also like to make it easier to do our type of balloon, it doesn't have to be this hard, and it's really fun [00:16] and it is good that you and all the others here think about safety [00:17] yeah that is true [00:17] :) [00:17] ADS-B would alleviate the need to telephone ATC all the time the balloon is in the air [00:18] yeah [00:18] which we're not required to do now, but a floater flight really increases the chance of bumping up with an airplane [00:18] true [00:18] as it hangs at 35,000, right? [00:19] floating with such a small balloon is something no one expected anyone to do when the law was made in the 1960s [00:19] yes [00:19] yeah [00:20] I'm not dead set on any details, I'd want to make sure the whole arhab community had a chance to have their opinion voiced and weighed in [00:21] true [00:21] and that again brings up the idea I had with Zuph [00:21] of that Balloon Club [00:21] yeah someone to be trained liasons to ATC, so ATC isn't inundated with bumbling newbies all the tiem [00:23] where in Germany are you Lunar? [00:23] yes [00:23] Osnabruck, Lower Saxony [00:23] that is the North West [00:23] cool [00:24] yeah [00:24] I actually screwed up the first e-mail to flight safety here [00:24] heh [00:24] I asked if you can fly a balloon with a payload of "20-50 kg" [00:24] whoooah [00:24] Dan-K2VOL, steamfire still a good email for you? [00:24] yeah [00:24] yes [00:24] stilldavid yes [00:24] incoming... [00:24] cool [00:25] that was before I learned how light modern electronics are [00:25] :) [00:25] heh what did you do for hobbies before balloons Lunar_Lander [00:25] well I was into space quite much [00:25] collecting everyting on probes and satellites [00:25] but also, I didn't hear of Picosats before coming to balloons [00:28] even earlier my interest was in car washes ;) [00:30] but well [00:30] when they did not write back I called and talked to the friendly woman there [00:31] she was interested that I was doing it at my university and she told me that my configuration (1500 balloon+2 kg payload) was no problem [00:31] the problem was elsewhere [00:31] nice [00:31] my uni is on the border of two control areas [00:32] so I found out the exact position of that parking lot and mailed it to her [00:32] ah [00:32] and she said that Bremen is responsible [00:32] you can also purchase aviation maps, usually at your local flight school [00:32] and gave me the phone numbers and everything [00:32] nice lady [00:32] yeah we have a little airfield for Cessna and so on [00:32] yeah [00:33] I e-mailed them if they would like to help [00:33] because the ham radio club also meets at the airfield [00:33] so there could have been some kind of control station [00:33] but I never got a reply from there [00:38] eh my experience is that people don't want to do anything [00:38] :-P [00:38] yeah [00:39] haha Lunar_Lander do u have a mac? [00:39] no, Vista [00:40] I had Seven on my laptop but the mainboard died [00:40] ;( [00:40] :( [00:41] well my IRC client here reads out lout all the messages in this room so I can work on other things, and whenever anyone says "yeah" it really speaks it with a LOT of excitement, and a touch of drunkenness [00:41] LOL [00:41] so [00:41] 3 [00:41] 2 [00:41] 1 [00:41] yeah [00:41] XD [00:42] hahaha [00:42] so it says what I write? [00:42] so I say [00:42] hello from Kevin to the USA [00:42] :P [00:42] lol yes, my girlfriend is laughing now [00:42] and says hello from Kentucky to you [00:43] thank you :) [00:43] xD reminds me of an avatar I saw [00:44] "Gettin' Lucky in Kentucky" [00:44] haha she used to have a t-shirt that said that [00:45] xD [00:47] I browsed your videos [00:48] you actually got the SNOX II balloon? [00:48] cool :) [00:48] oh you mean recovered it back after the crash? [00:48] yes [00:49] yeah, we felt sort of obligated to, as it was dangling 3 liters of alcohol attached to a 10m long antenna wire, about 10m from a power line in someone's city home backyard [00:50] oh yeah right [00:50] but now it's a nice demo balloon, though it's a bit ragget and patched [00:50] ragged [00:50] where they even called the police and they told them it's no emergency [00:50] hehe yep [00:50] oh god [00:50] lol that was me who called [00:50] xD [00:50] watson just /dominated/ all the humans in jeopardy round one [00:52] LOL HAB-unrelated [00:52] supermarket sweep has the sense that you run through and get the most expensive stuff to win? [00:53] or clean up a lot of spilled apple juice and puke [00:53] xD [00:54] lol shopping carts have poor drift abilities [00:57] davidjc (57c2bc56@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.188.86) left irc: Quit: Page closed [00:57] xD actually [00:57] in germany [00:57] when you have a show like that that names product names and prices [00:58] you have to have a continous marker on the screen that says "Commercial Broadcast" [00:58] good [00:58] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:58] yeah and when Stefan Raab, a famous entertainer was forced to use that marker, he reacted [00:58] on his normal shows he now has a marker too [00:58] it says "Television Broadcast" [00:58] xD [01:03] LOL that one guy accumulated stuff worth a thousand dollars [01:16] Zuph (~bradluyst@2001:470:8:626:222:43ff:fe71:9992) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:23] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@96-28-238-68.dhcp.insightbb.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:33] johnnyfive (~johnnyfiv@c-98-247-165-35.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [01:35] Dan-K2VOL (~Dan-K2VOL@96-28-238-68.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined #highaltitude. 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[11:23] I've come across those and could be tempted as they are not expensive [11:23] Which you register for, and then they give you the location of the phone. It's only accurate to a hundred meters at best typically though [11:24] And it relies on the phone having a good signal to two towers. [11:24] +- 100 metres would be okay. I'm just thinking of a belt and braces approach. [11:24] Which may not be the case on the ground [11:26] I'm just struggling to get any comms with the onboard phone, so was looking for alternatives. [11:27] The easiest alternative is probably just change the pone. [12:27] smea (~smealum@85-170-63-217.rev.numericable.fr) joined #highaltitude. [13:09] GW8RAK: need one that accepts AT commands [13:31] Gnea (~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:34] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:40] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) joined #highaltitude. 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[14:58] heh, you gotta do what you gotta do :-p [14:59] Indeed you do [15:09] morning [15:10] Morning Dan [15:15] morning [15:24] How is everyone else's ballooning going this morning? [15:26] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:30] i fell asleep at 8 woke up a 1 then couldn't get back to sleep until after 6 [15:31] towards a watery end if the predictions don't pick up :) [15:35] Simon-MPFH (~simon@81.187.157.65) joined #highaltitude. [15:37] Gnea (~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea) joined #highaltitude. [15:49] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) joined #highaltitude. [16:00] SpikeUK (d0331fa2@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) left irc: Ping timeout: 249 seconds [16:01] NigeyS (~EcEnTiAl@cpc8-cdif12-2-0-cust22.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:05] mmm htc's tablet looks pretty nice [16:19] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [16:25] Zuph (~bradluyst@69.64.6.69) joined #highaltitude. 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Dan-K2VOL, next time let's just send up an atom laptop. [17:29] hehe [17:29] not an easy thing to make [17:29] lol# [17:31] lprintf("In: %ld\n", 225); is displaying "In: -1730150175" and I am really worried about a stack overflow at this point. [17:31] haha I wanted to send up a linux machine from the beginning [17:31] beagle board! lol [17:31] they all have their issues [17:31] you'll be in a similar situation what ever [17:32] brad, don't we have the drop in replacement chip for that that's got more ram/ [17:32] james, do you know the type of crimpers needed for these crimp heads ... http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/components/cables-connectors/crimp-conn-pins [17:33] zuph [17:33] NigeyS, nope [17:33] dam :( taking quite a while to do these dam things with pliers :/ [17:33] Dan-K2VOL: We do, but I'd like to confirm the prognosis before we screw up a perfectly good flight computer :-p [17:35] jkominar (~justin@64.235.97.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:35] ping natrium42 [17:37] we can send up a chrome netbook maybe google will send us one for that [17:39] hah [17:41] do we have the parts to build another flight computer with the new chip? 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[19:20] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:30] i found tie die duct tape yesterday [19:30] i was so excited but i didn't buy it [19:30] lol [19:31] i bought a nerf gun instead [19:32] madEngineer (~madEngine@173-17-187-159.client.mchsi.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:32] nv1k (~madEngine@173-17-187-159.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:37] now if only they'd make duct tape that was stable at 1.9K and coped with high vacuum .... [19:40] I think that's called Kapton [19:41] Jasperw (~jasperw@93-97-176-250.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [19:56] SpikeUK (~chatzilla@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:57] SpikeUK (~chatzilla@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) joined #highaltitude. [19:57] dehuman (~dehuman@99.150.137.107) joined #highaltitude. [19:57] cau (~au@c-66-31-86-255.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #highaltitude. [19:58] Nick change: SpeedEvil1 -> SpeedEvil [20:03] Just surprise myself and have won a scanner on ebay. [20:03] At a reasonable price as well [20:03] Mobile balloon tracking is now an option [20:04] vr500? [20:04] ive been meaningto pickup a Yupi 7100 due to HF performanc [20:05] ooh what sort of coverage GW8RAK? [20:07] A Yupiteru 7100, 530KHz to 1650MHz [20:07] excellent [20:07] all modes? [20:07] All modes. [20:08] And with wide FM, it should also cover weather satellites etc [20:08] Is there much happening above 450mhz? [20:08] All recent bids have been beaten with seconds to spare, so I'm a bit shocked to win it. [20:09] the snipers had a night off :) [20:11] ooh there's a 1.3GHz contest on tonight, you might hear something [20:11] There's amateur 1296MHz, plus of course the proposed HAB around 868MHz [20:11] Or thereabouts [20:11] And my ideas around 176MHz [20:11] Mostly, I want it for monitoring Air Cadet activity around here and the repeaters I'm building [20:14] I only won it tonight! [20:14] I've been trying to get on 23cms for years, but have always had bodged equipment. I had some early gear made by G8AAA, but it is not up to current performance levels. [20:14] I then acquired a 150W transverter which was frightening. 1200V within easy reach of fingers. [20:22] stilldavid_ (~david@stilldavid.com) joined #highaltitude. [20:22] Tvilling_ (~Tvilling@c4383BF51.static.bluecom.no) joined #highaltitude. [20:23] Laurenceb__ (~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk) joined #highaltitude. [20:25] astevens_ (~astevens@caosvm2.osuosl.org) joined #highaltitude. 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[20:28] _sh3 (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sh3/x-62271040) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:28] and afaik I'd have the band all to myself ;) [20:28] I don't think there are any amateurs in the area who use it [20:31] oh I got my bands mixed up, it's a 13cm antenna i have [20:34] I bought a yagi for 23cm years ago, but it was only used with the transverter once [20:34] Had it pointing out the shack window with 150W going to it and I seemed to develop a head ache suddenly. [20:35] Don't know if it was connected, but I quickly dropped the power down to 10W. [20:35] eek [20:35] Only had tx from the transverter, so had a cross band contact with a friend in the next village. I was on 23cm and he was on top band. [20:36] The widest cross band contact perhaps? [20:36] not far from it anyway, if you don't count optical [20:36] I've got most of a new transverter, but need a LO for it. [20:37] what frequency do you put into it? [20:38] stilldavid (~david@stilldavid.com) got lost in the net-split. [20:38] Laurenceb (~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk) got lost in the net-split. [20:38] Tvilling (~Tvilling@c4383BF51.static.bluecom.no) got lost in the net-split. [20:38] borism (~boris@ec2-79-125-58-77.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) got lost in the net-split. [20:38] astevens (~astevens@caosvm2.osuosl.org) got lost in the net-split. [20:38] Most use 1152 LO with 144 IF. This one uses 28 IF, so I need a 1268 LO [20:38] Of course, I've got plenty of 1152 LO's [20:38] naturally :) [20:39] I could retune it, but I'd need a stable crystal which can be hard to find [20:41] But all these things need time which I just haven't got at present. [20:41] know the feeling [20:43] Gnea (~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea) joined #highaltitude. [20:43] _sh3 (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sh3/x-62271040) joined #highaltitude. [20:46] Have just about got the software for the balloon finished and just need to tart up the board, but time is the problem. [20:47] Work is a busy and I just want to slob in the evenings [20:48] Action: fsphil is currently engaged in slobbing ;) [20:48] watching youtube videos about 10ghz stuff [20:49] Don't start me on 10GHz. Another band I'll get on one day. [20:49] yea, it's a pretty neat trick getting on that band [20:49] Gnea (~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:49] MrCraig (~craig@host86-144-217-100.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [20:49] I've got some gunn diode systems, but most/all other people are narrowband which is expensive and of little interest [20:50] the guys on the videos here make it look so simple :) [20:50] The gunn diode systems are very easy to get going with full duplex. [20:52] I think I'll build 2 and give one to a friend. Guaranteed to have a QSO that way [20:52] just reading up on it, looks pretty trivial [20:53] Yes, supply a few volts, modulate it and there is a 10GHz signal. Self mixing on the rx end and audio out [20:53] Did some tests a few years ago with a 10GHz datalink. Got about 2Mbps with ease. And very fast. [20:54] Ebay is all about timing. Another Yupiteru 7100 is just finishing and it is �12 more than I paid earlier [20:54] The only difference is a set of nicads [20:58] jcoxon (~jcoxon@212.183.128.10) joined #highaltitude. [20:58] the waveguide for 10ghz has to be pretty precisely made [20:58] juxta (Bogaurd@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:58] WG16 is the standard. [20:58] Evening [20:58] Often available at rallies [20:59] GW8RAK: interesting [20:59] what range? [20:59] Range of 10GHz gunn diode systems? [20:59] I def gotta give that a go :) must mention it when I'm at the localish club [20:59] g'day jcoxon [21:00] The old record, which may still stand for wide band is from the top of Snowdon to another mountain top in Scotland. About 240km IIRC [21:00] My 10GHz tv gear has been received okay at 30km. [21:01] Off thread - does anyone know how to get Windows media player to read the album information, i.e. artist and songs please? [21:01] it should ream them automatically, it just pulls the info from the id3 tag [21:01] read* [21:02] That's what I thought, but this machine/software is really frustrating. [21:02] May switch to the Ubuntu machine and see if that is better. [21:02] I know I'm 15 years behind the times, but just bought my first mp3 player! [21:03] Got loads of CD's to rip to it. [21:03] And cassettes [21:03] And 78's [21:03] Man, Outcasts is a depressing show [21:03] Couldn't follow it. Gave up on it. [21:04] SpikeUK (~chatzilla@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/spikeuk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:07] Laurenceb - the distance record for 10GHz with 2W output is 1400km [21:08] rain scatter? [21:09] Don't think so. [21:09] Here is a simple Gunn diode system http://www.g3pho.free-online.co.uk/microwaves/wideband.htm [21:09] @nearsys: The UltraLight directions are now at the programming tests. Perhaps in a week they'll be done. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/37619568058826752] [21:11] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [21:14] davidjc (57c2bc56@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.194.188.86) joined #highaltitude. [21:22] D00berry (~Dooberry@5ad7173c.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [21:22] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-31-93-3.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:25] jkominar (~justin@64.235.97.218) got netsplit. [21:25] Dooberry (Dooberry@5ad7173c.bb.sky.com) got netsplit. [21:28] I'm now getting data from the gps device :-) [21:28] always good [21:29] yeah - it seems the problem I've been having getting data from the pc into the PIC must be on the PIC side - probably a conversion issue with the source I translated from a demo for a slightly different chip [21:30] hooked the gps right up to the pc - and there are strings. [21:30] two repeating strings, which probably means no satalites found as there's no antenna on it yet. [21:30] Simon-MPFH (~simon@81.187.157.65) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:32] MrCraig, nice work getting the lassen working, the 2 strings will spit out the info son as you get a sat lock, even with an antenna it can take quite a while the first time :/ [21:33] quite a while in the order of minutes? [21:34] GW8RAK (561f5d03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.31.93.3) joined #highaltitude. [21:35] if this receiver is anything like the one in my last nokia I'll only get a signal in direct line of the sky in a 1 meter square region in the north west of london :-P [21:35] well, it took 3 hours to get 2 sats on mine, but possibly a dodgy antenna, just make sure you're outside with it, and have a good groundplane [21:36] Dooberry (Dooberry@5ad7173c.bb.sky.com) got lost in the net-split. [21:36] jkominar (~justin@64.235.97.218) got lost in the net-split. [21:36] ahh, well it's wired into my breadboard and on the bench supply at the moment, so I'll forgive not having a signal until I get it into place on the board and outside [21:36] :D [21:37] GW8RAK (561f5d03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.31.93.3) left irc: Client Quit [21:38] I do have to figure out why the pic will tx but not rx - that's my next priority. Then I can worry about the software to translate strings [21:40] eek good luck [21:41] Lunar_Lander (~lunar_lan@p54883D84.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [21:42] hello [21:43] thanks NigeyS - Hi Lunar_Lander [21:43] hello [21:43] :) [21:44] hi Lunar [21:45] hi [21:54] ariane launch 200 [21:54] http://www.videocorner.tv/videocorner2/live_flv/index.php?langue=en [21:55] ooh, the ATV [21:55] yeah [22:00] Dan-K2VOL (~Adium@74-143-44-42.static.insightbb.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:07] Auto Sequence [22:07] jcoxon (~jcoxon@212.183.128.10) left irc: Quit: Bye [22:07] the nose-cone is empty .. wonder if they'd let us put a small satellite in there :) [22:08] xD [22:08] did you see the typo ? [22:08] "highter altitude" [22:08] missed that [22:09] Status Red [22:10] could be worse, could be status brown [22:10] DagoRed (~dago@208-58-114-73.c3-0.eas-ubr13.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:11] nuts, no launch tonight [22:11] yeah [22:11] Hooray! [22:12] 0 0 54 6a a8 59 a0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2c 0 0 0 5 0 0 c4 3e 16 43 a8 0 0 41 b0 0 0 60 c2 9c 1b a4 42 11 39 b6 2e 5e 0 0 0 41 30 0 0 41 40 0 0 c6 90 fe 0 5 47 ff f2 0 12 The first valid data packet generated by the White star balloon computer! [22:12] yay! [22:12] Congrags :D [22:12] Congrats too ! [22:12] you beat arianespace Zuph :D [22:12] hah [22:13] failed launch got a round of applause [22:13] easy crowd [22:13] lol [22:13] well done Zuph [22:14] yeah [22:14] I am going to get a celebratory burrito. brb [22:16] haha i'll have a KFC pls :P [22:16] That's because no one makes good Mexican food in the UK. [22:17] Nick change: stilldavid_ -> stilldavid [22:17] good point [22:17] ello stilldavid [22:17] ahoy [22:21] headed to this tonight: http://eoss.org/meetings/general_cu_meeting_DLC.htm [22:22] also, grats Zuph et al. [22:22] stilldavid: heh, still have to get it in the air. [22:23] still a big milestone, though :) [22:23] stilldavid: At least this means we can start testing our web backend :-p [22:23] yeah congratulations :D [22:23] fsphil: http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8121/atv2statuscard1.png [22:25] check what it says under "Mission" [22:26] hehe [22:30] whens it launching? [22:30] Action: Laurenceb_ hopes they didnt do that in the flight vector control firmware [22:30] thatd be the second time [22:31] yeah [22:31] launch tomorrow [22:31] there was a malfunction in the ground equipment [22:32] spellchecker exited non-zero... [22:32]