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[09:03] morning [09:13] slothearn (~euclid@pool-96-249-157-79.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:18] Gnea (~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:38] morning [09:38] hey earthshine [09:38] i'm really sorry i haven't sent that board yet [09:38] ahh I was going to ask about that [09:38] have been on call all week so haven't actually seen daylight nor a post office [09:38] i thought it had been lost by Royal Fail [09:38] no worries - i'm not desperate for it [09:43] ooo my flickr account has had 99,147 views [09:43] morning all [09:43] nearly there... [09:44] jcoxon, i can sit and press refresh 853 times for 50p a click? :P lol [09:45] ummm i could do it myself for a lower rate :-) [09:45] hah true..:p [09:45] everything looking good for your launch ? [09:45] yeah pretty much [09:46] flight path is pretty extreme [09:46] (just to say this isn't a normal launch_ [09:46] ) [09:46] oh, make it very interesting :D [09:47] makes* [09:47] from long range forecasts it'll be off towards denmark [09:48] blimey, thats definately extreme! [09:50] just grabbing all the weather data [09:50] is the launch today ? [09:50] will run a few scenarios [09:50] earthshine, no, next saturday [09:50] ahh [09:50] there is a launch tomorrow 15:00 [09:51] hey earthshine, recieved my order yesterday, thnk you :) [09:55] hey jcoxon, what time are you launching? [10:00] it'll be ~ 14:00 UTC [10:00] saturday, right? [10:01] yeah, 13/11/10 [10:01] you too? [10:01] morning all [10:02] jcoxon: sunday here we think [10:02] is yours a floater? [10:02] okay, well if all goes well we should still be floating [10:02] though quite possibly out of range [10:02] oh very cool :) [10:02] got a prediction? [10:02] heya jonsowman [10:02] just about to gen one [10:02] its a little early to trust it [10:02] true [10:03] but its still fun :-p [10:03] hows the float predictor looking jcoxon? [10:03] hi juxta_ :) [10:03] have got it working on habhub [10:03] good stuff [10:03] without a web interface [10:03] just a single shell script really - slightly reinvented the wheel [10:04] so it's just a modified binary? [10:04] doesnt the binary support float time? [10:04] juxta_: no, rjw's one doesn't [10:05] well, it does now, since jcoxon's mods :) [10:06] jonsowman, yeah i've been relearning bash [10:06] hehe [10:06] bash is great [10:06] such as checking the time of the gfs data and only downloading if its > 6hrs [10:06] taken a bit of work [10:07] did you clone a git repo and just modify stuff? or did you fork? [10:07] just a clone [10:07] got bored of messing around [10:08] cool ok [10:08] oh righto, good work jcoxon :) [10:08] I will get round to including the float-predictor into the V2 web interface [10:09] not sure when, it might have to wait till the end of term [10:10] I intend to get through some of the github issues for the predictor as well over Xmas [10:10] especially the mobile browsers one [10:10] since JqueryMobile has been released and it's pretty cool :) [10:11] http://habhub.org/files/output1289658600.kml [10:11] if you stick that into the search box for maps.google.co.uk [10:11] nice :D [10:12] that's a pretty serious flight path! [10:13] hmm, google here says it can't find the file :( [10:13] i think it'll swing north a bit more [10:13] http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fhabhub.org%2Ffiles%2Foutput1289658600.kml&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.718578,67.631836&ie=UTF8&ll=52.689702,4.372559&spn=5.70193,16.907959&z=7 [10:13] juxta_: ^^ [10:14] MoALTz (~no@92.21.150.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:14] hmm, same issue jonsowman :( [10:15] how weird [10:15] indeed [10:15] http://lister.hexoc.com/alpha/float1.png [10:15] http://habhub.org/files/ [10:15] well here's a screenshot [10:18] oh wow [10:18] jonsowman, you up for being balloon filler master? [10:18] that looks like a good flight path [10:19] jcoxon, do you still have any lassen breakouts? [10:19] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) joined #highaltitude. [10:19] jcoxon: hehe I think it's going to be a two or three person job [10:19] especially if it's windy [10:20] jonsowman, in some ways its the most important part [10:20] :-p [10:20] juxta_, i don't unfortunately [10:20] better let you do it then :D [10:20] nah [10:20] i've got a payload to make sure it working [10:20] you know last minute debugging [10:20] Adam and I will definitely be around, possibly a couple of other CUSF people too [10:20] okay cool [10:20] I'm sure we will manage [10:20] steve will be there as well [10:20] oh excellent [10:21] more pairs of hands are definitely better [10:21] we'll just take our time [10:21] find a non-windy spot [10:21] no worries jcoxon - met the australian importer for trimble today and he mentioned some free modules - wanted to see if you could make use of any :) [10:21] juxta_, we could make more... [10:21] but to tell the truth i prefer ublox [10:22] yeah me too [10:22] but I wont turn them down for free - will let you know how it pans out :) [10:22] I could do with a couple... how much are you after for them? [10:24] juxta_: you got a prediction for sunday yet? [10:24] [10:24] hey plantain [10:24] yeah [10:24] looking pretty good [10:25] link? [10:25] near murray bridge [10:25] sec [10:25] this is darkside btw [10:25] i am at plantains house [10:25] jonsowman, does cherokee heavily cache? [10:26] cherokee the webserver? yes, very heavily [10:26] jcoxon: yes [10:26] is it causing you issues? [10:26] its IO cache is one of its best and worst features [10:26] not too much [10:27] its just that if i gen a new kml it doesn't change :-p [10:27] oh ok [10:27] give me two seconds [10:27] I'll tell it to not cache KMLs [10:28] morning! [10:28] yo fsphil [10:28] juxta_: ? [10:31] jcoxon: try that [10:31] it should exclude KMLs from the IO cache now [10:32] hey plantain, sorry: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=b92c67ce9c4c70134ac5f4e74f97d83c79eb8741 [10:34] heya jonsowman, we'll be trying the offline predictor this weekend in the chase cars :) [10:34] oo excellent [10:34] let me know how it goes [10:34] shall do [10:34] this is the one you compiled in cygwin for windows right? [10:34] yep [10:34] jonsowman, oh dear, oops [10:34] mm delicious efficiency [10:34] jcoxon: uh oh... what have I done? [10:34] juxta_: haha :D [10:35] no its more what haven't i done... [10:35] that flight path is without float... [10:35] :o [10:35] oh... [10:36] jonsowman: ever have any issues with the predictor binary locking up? [10:37] I uh, never bothered to add a timeout on the process, i probably should do that [10:37] juxta_: no I haven't [10:37] it seems to just quit without warning when it comes across something it doesn't like [10:37] ok, well that's good news [10:37] it's never frozen on me [10:37] that's fine, i can handle that :) [10:38] plantain: got a few more of those mini video cameras donated today [10:38] shipit (~sumeet@c-67-180-23-104.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:41] hey jonsowman - what times do you figure the models become available on nomads? [10:41] 01:00z, 07:00z.. etc? [10:42] the dataset for a given time comes out about 5 hours after [10:42] oh, righto [10:42] so the 00z model is released about 04-05z [10:42] 95% of the time anyway [10:42] sometimes they're released 6-7hours after [10:42] and sometimes never at all [10:43] I'll just do 0z, 6z, 12z and 18z then [10:43] for grabbing data? [10:43] i only had it going every 12 hours before but when you're looking a week ahead the new models make a big difference [10:43] yeah, for the hourly jobs [10:44] I tuned this quite carefully for the hourly predictor at CUSF [10:44] give me a second [10:44] I'll find the crontab [10:44] oh, brilliant :D [10:45] jonsowman, hopefully the weather will improve before sat... [10:46] will keep an eye [10:47] juxta_: I went for 05, 11, 17 and 23z [10:47] ok great, thanks jonsowman [10:47] though I have a commented line with 00/06/12/18 saying "use this if it's skipping datasets" [10:47] haha [10:47] okie doke [10:48] jcoxon: yes, hopefully it'll improve [10:48] did you use HD? [10:48] juxta_: I think it still does, yes [10:48] it's pointless though [10:48] yeah, it doesnt really seem to be worth it [10:48] jcoxon: as usual we'll need to decide before 12pm on Friday [10:48] for NOTAM purposes [10:48] just takes much longer to grab [10:49] juxta_: indeed, I personally wouldn't bother if I were you [10:49] jonsowman: is the change just in the url generation? [10:49] jonsowman, we'll know by thurs i reckon [10:50] juxta_: https://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor/blob/master/predict.py [10:50] see line 478-481 [10:50] jcoxon: okay, no problem [10:50] will notify Chu of a potential launch [10:51] ok cool, so that's all it is - the data format itself is unchanged? [10:52] correct [10:53] well the format changes slightly but the way the predictor is written, it automatically copes [10:53] excellent :) [10:53] will switch to the regular GFS data in that case then [10:53] good plan [10:54] uuuurgh [10:54] im tired [10:54] HD vs regular GFS - is the difference just the resolution so to speak? [10:54] juxta_: if it lands *in* the murray [10:54] oh man [10:55] ie more cells for a given area [10:55] yes, that would be rather annoying [10:55] but also unlikely :) [10:55] haha [10:55] also how am i going to communicate between chase cars >_> [10:55] how many people will be in the lonely planet car? [10:55] oh I'm sure we'll work something out ;) [10:55] juxta_: there are many, many differences, but the main one that matters to us is the "vertical resolution" [10:56] GFS like 26 levels up through the atmosphere [10:56] Darkside, I think Tony, Chris + his girlfriend [10:56] each containing the wind speed and direction for that level [10:56] whereas HD has 47 [10:56] ah right - got it :) [10:56] juxta_: who? [10:56] potentially twice as much data then I guess [10:56] juxta_: the "Information" bit in the readme here has some links if you want to know more [10:56] https://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor [10:57] Darkside: lonely planet people [10:57] the car is a prius, so it will be even less off road capable than mine ;p [10:57] >_> [10:57] oh yay [10:57] also i hope i have 3G reception the whole way.. [10:58] oh right, thanks jonsowman - I'd read that but never noticed the links [10:58] will have a read [10:58] :) [10:58] juxta_: soooooo, communication between cars? [10:58] i'm sure it'll be fine Darkside, it's probably along freeway the whole way [10:58] how will i talk to you about whats going on >_> [10:59] uhf cb or maybe another band, I'll be there in spirit as a second operator to oversee you :) [10:59] hehe check out this: [11:00] http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p [11:00] all the people who have run dl-fldigi and put in their coords [11:00] gnome terminal link fail -.- [11:00] pff [11:00] Jasperw (~jasperw@2001:470:92f1:0:223:5aff:fef5:cce) joined #highaltitude. [11:00] jcoxon: that's pretty cool [11:01] Darkside, actually I think UHF CB is about the best we can do, even if we used another band power would be the issue as you'll be handheld I guess... we'll probably stay very close though i think [11:02] ok [11:02] jonsowman, what time is xaben launch tomorrow? [11:02] i'll probably get the lonely planet guys to tail you anyway [11:02] about 1500GMT [11:02] of course we shoull have mobile coverage [11:02] why so late? [11:02] should* [11:02] it'll be nearly dark [11:02] it might be slightly earlier [11:02] or is that the point? [11:02] Randomskk and I are busy all morning [11:02] also i've got two others that were interested in coming along for the chase, and they have a car [11:03] a freaking subaru WRX... [11:03] but its a car [11:03] it might be nearer 2pm [11:03] Steve is going to turn up and get ready, and Randomskk and I will just turn up, notify the tower, watch the launch, then disappear [11:03] and they'd probably just tail whatever car i'm in >_> [11:03] do we know them? [11:03] jonsowman, i'll setup my home radio [11:03] for people to play with [11:04] though it'll probably be out of range [11:04] jcoxon: that'd be cool [11:04] we will track from college once we're home [11:04] we may need to be a bit careful about the amount of people coming, so far we have lots and lots of people who've said they'll come Darkside [11:04] though we only have a whip currently [11:04] Action: fsphil will try tracking although didn't have much luck with the last floater [11:04] we might move the launch site to the local oval if the weather permits [11:04] ahhh [11:04] i'll let them know [11:04] jcoxon: we'll try and get the trackatron with the yagi up at CUED for your launch [11:05] yeah that would be great [11:05] right will bbl [11:05] jcoxon (~jcoxon@nat76.mia.three.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:05] I so wanna build one of those [11:05] fsphil: do it :D [11:05] ours is completely magic now [11:06] automatically downloads balloon positions from the listener and points the yagi at the balloon [11:06] we just sit there and smile [11:06] :D [11:06] I've loads of motors and bits, though I suspect I'd need a stepper motor [11:06] jonsowman: i was going to do that :P [11:06] dammit [11:06] i have a 24dBi dish for 900MHZ i can borrow from uni :P [11:06] 24! [11:06] wow [11:06] they used to use it for radar experiments, now they dont use it anymore [11:07] wel, i dunno if its 24dB for 900MHZ [11:07] its the same size as a 2.4GHZ 24dBi dish [11:07] fsphil: you could get away with a normal geared down motor and an encoder/other feedback system [11:07] but has a 900MHZ dipole on it [11:07] might be more effort than it's worth though [11:07] yea agreed [11:07] and is mounted on 2 stepper motors, [11:07] nice [11:07] Darkside: remove the dish and stick a yagi on there [11:07] hehe [11:07] jonsowman, would it be quick enough to track the iss? [11:08] probably [11:08] it can shift pretty fast when it wants [11:08] sweet [11:08] I don't know if it's ever been tried [11:08] we didn't build the rotator unit though [11:08] it's an off-the-shelf uni [11:08] *unit [11:09] direct drive or geared? [11:10] I think geared, but I'm not sure - eroomde will know [11:13] would be tricky enough to build [11:13] should takea pic of the one at uni [11:14] its direct driven too [11:14] I'm not sure how I could make the alt move without a gear [11:22] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-23-103-27.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:39] bbl [11:43] smea (~smealum@85-171-205-215.rev.numericable.fr) joined #highaltitude. [12:13] jasonb (~jasonb@adsl-66-124-73-250.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) joined #highaltitude. [12:22] chris_99 (~chris_99@87.114.243.6.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined #highaltitude. [12:22] chris_99 (~chris_99@87.114.243.6.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Changing host [12:22] chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) joined #highaltitude. [12:23] fsphil (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:21f:c6ff:fe44:b25b) left irc: Quit: reboot [12:27] Nick change: chris_99 -> ^^^^^^^^ [12:32] fsphil (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:21f:c6ff:fe44:b25b) joined #highaltitude. [12:47] Nick change: ^^^^^^^^ -> chris_99 [12:52] meh cant find any 220ohm resistors :/ [12:52] what do you need them for NigeySWales? [12:53] you can probably just use something else that's in the right sort of ballpark [12:53] im going through 1 of the arduino tutorials, the 12 led fade in / out [12:53] I don't know it - is there a link to a schematic? [12:54] yup 2 secs ill find it [12:55] http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/AnalogWriteMega [12:57] okay, you can substitute something else instead [12:58] do you have anything sort of close on hand? [12:58] (say maybe 330, 390, 470 ohm) [12:59] let me check, i had a pack given to me yesterday but ive no idea on values, didnt check 2 secs....most of them are blue if that helps..lol [12:59] heh - the bands on them is what you're interested in [13:00] oki, i got a colour code sheet, let me see if my maths is ok lol [13:00] you can always use a multimeter to check them too [13:01] oh.. now that i can do, brb! thisll be fun theres only 10 packs..lol [13:15] eugh knew i shouldve got digital multimeter [13:32] MoALTz (~no@92.21.150.137) joined #highaltitude. [13:34] juxta_ (blah@ppp59-167-4-171.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:53] GW8RAK_ (~chatzilla@client-86-23-103-27.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:56] yea definitely, an essential [14:00] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11704599 [14:00] Action: Laurenceb predicts epic trolling [14:04] smea (~smealum@85-171-205-215.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:11] is it just me, or is shotwell is rubbish? (the photo manager for gnome) [14:11] MoALTz (~no@92.21.150.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:11] never heard of it [14:12] i have eye of gnome [14:12] and gimp [14:14] Shotwell tried to import and organise photos, but it seems to miss about half the photos on the card [14:15] smea (~smealum@85-171-205-215.rev.numericable.fr) joined #highaltitude. [14:17] MoALTz (~no@92.21.150.137) joined #highaltitude. [14:38] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [14:51] smea (~smealum@85-171-205-215.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:52] Hiena (~Hiena@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude. 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[16:42] astr2001uk (~astruk@82.132.210.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:43] hm found a nokia 5110 for 7 quid, they can be used for telemetry backup ? [16:44] yes, but you will find it very difficult to do [16:44] afaik it doesn't have a pin that you can send AT commands to [16:45] FBUS & MBUS only (Nokia's crazystuff) [16:45] futurity (~anonymous@cpc6-cmbg15-2-0-cust236.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:45] oh, oki scrap that then lol, just saw 1 on ebay and remembered it was used on a mission i saw on ukhas [16:45] if someone's done it you can ask them; I might be wrong [16:45] just looking for the page now to see how they got it to work on pegasus [16:46] Hi, does anyone know if the launch is still on for tomorrow? [16:47] futurity: jonsowman might know for sure. I think it is though. [16:47] Cool [16:47] i should be able to listen in tomorrow afternoon [16:47] futurity: yes it's happening unless Something Bad happens [16:48] launch will be between 2-3pm [16:48] jonsowman: thanks for letting me know, i may need some help if the software needs updating to decode the signals? [16:49] the original plan was the launch the XABEN payload in dl-fldigi [16:49] I'm not sure if that's still the case [16:49] jonsowman, how far away can someone be with a reciever to track the flight ? [16:49] if RocketBoy appears on here, ask him [16:49] NigeySWales: depends on many things [16:49] if you're high up and have a Yagi and a good radio, you may well hear it from where you are [16:49] I can't really say for sure [16:50] okies, i'd fail on the altitude bit, i think where i am is only about 80m above sea level :( [16:50] a clear view of the south-east horizon and you should be fine to track [16:51] but only when it's about > 15km [16:51] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:51] altitude [16:51] interesting [16:51] Topic changed on #highaltitude by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk | XABEN launch 1500GMT on 08/11/10 from Churchill College Cambridge [16:51] oops... [16:52] Topic changed on #highaltitude by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk | XABEN launch between 1400-1500GMT on 08/11/10 from Churchill College Cambridge [16:52] #highaltitude: mode change '-o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:52] better. [16:52] I'll be at work but the radio is setup to work remotely [16:52] if you're going to have Chanserv change the topic you don't need to op yourself [16:52] I swear I tried it and Chanserv complained that I wasn't an op [16:53] maybe I Did It Wrong [16:53] as long as you've identified it should let you [16:53] will try it again next time [16:53] Topic changed on #highaltitude by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.: Welcome to #highaltitude | discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk | XABEN launch between 1400-1500GMT on 08/11/10 from Churchill College Cambridge [16:53] like that [16:53] hmm [16:53] ok [16:53] (gotta be consistent with the separators) [16:53] and there's a double space in there but I cba changing that too :P [16:54] juxta (Bogaurd@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:54] lol [16:54] Action: DanielRichman goes back to writing alien2 code [16:54] brb [16:55] I've mega over complicated it and I'm not sure it will be worth it, but meh [16:55] heh, you should see the hadie code [16:57] let me fix these typos and push some of this stuff [16:58] i havemt even got as far as code yet :/ [16:58] all in good time :) [16:59] yup, im happy with my breadboard, the mega and some tutprials for now, cant run before you can walk... [16:59] cant spell either today eugh ! [17:16] Sometimes, you have to run before walk. [17:30] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:30] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [17:43] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [17:44] fsphil: https://github.com/danielrichman/alien/tree/temporary/alien2/xmegaa4/radio/ all that and it doesn't actually... do anything yet [17:53] by default it sits spouting telemetry on various modes and occasionally listening for an uplink; there are two functions through which alterations to the rotation can be inserted; radio_stream_queue queues up some sort of data to be sent with whatever mode was in use at the time (e.g., ssdv), and radio_mode_queue queues up an unusual mode to be used (e.g., sstv) [17:59] very nice - that should make things a lot easier in the long run [18:00] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:01] I don't know if it works yet :P [18:02] I'll just fill in the rtty & domex bits and give it a run. Hoping to be able to show off multi-mode ness on wednesday [18:05] GW8RAK_ (~chatzilla@client-86-23-103-27.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:27] jerry507_mac (~jerry507@173-26-214-102.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [18:27] woo, pwm works [18:34] DarkCow (~DarkCow@5ad9ea12.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [18:35] DarkCow (~DarkCow@5ad9ea12.bb.sky.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:47] blimey 109quid for a 70cm yagi :| [18:48]