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[08:00] Morning all [08:01] heya jcoxon [08:01] ugh, this PSK modem is kicking my ass. [08:02] hi all [08:02] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jcoxon' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:02] Op #highaltitude [08:03] Who would have thought that a PSK modem implemented on a dsPIC would be so difficult. [08:03] jcoxon (~jcoxon@ip-87-82-56-166.easynet.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [08:03] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [08:04] jcoxon (~jcoxon@ip-87-82-56-166.easynet.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [08:04] Wb8elk launch today [08:05] Should be on spacenear.us [08:05] Action: kd0mto hopes to be awake for it. [08:06] kd0mto,are you in receiving range of his flights? [08:06] Action: kd0mto looks [08:06] Huntsville, Alabama [08:07] I'm in Iowa, so I don't think so. [08:07] The Wisconsin one I just heard about sould possible thought. [08:07] Shame,some on range dl-fldigi [08:08] Is this going to be a flight on spacenear.us or just igate through APRS? [08:08] what time is the launch jcoxon? [08:09] Its multiple payloads some with aprs but also 2 with dominoex rx to be used with dl-fldigi [08:09] ahh [08:09] 9am cdt [08:10] Juxtaposition could you clear the tracker and add a simple title [08:10] I'm on my phone currently [08:11] Hays,auto complete [08:11] Juxta, that was [08:11] Right bbl [08:11] jcoxon (~jcoxon@ip-87-82-56-166.easynet.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [08:11] no worries, will do [08:21] kd0mto (~dago@j15-1.nat.iastate.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:25] juxta: ping [08:25] Gnea (~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:29] hey earthshine [08:29] oh hi [08:29] just sent you a DM [08:29] not sure if you can get it though? [08:30] ah, not on my other logon, will see that in about an hour :) [08:30] you should use Quassell ;) [08:30] I ws just saying the FSA03 replacement has FINALLY arrived [08:30] woo! [08:30] terrible customer service - i wont deal with those cowboys again [08:30] awesome work Mike :) [08:30] i'll post it out to you ASAP [08:31] i'll shoot you my mailing address when I get home [08:31] cool [08:31] i've got to run for now... back in an hour or so [08:31] juxta|console (~juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:32] cya [08:33] earthshine: do u happen to sell the esawdust.com breakouts assembled with fsa03 ? [08:37] Sorry no - dont stock the FSA03s any more as they just didnt sell [08:38] jcoxon (~jcoxon@ip-87-82-56-166.easynet.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [08:40] strange that fsa03 didnt sell [08:42] do u have any ublox5 gps online? [08:43] Action: LazyLeopard speculates: limited application, I guess, which didn't fit earthshine's main market? [08:52] m1x10 (m1x10@79.167.230.222) left irc: Quit: If you run you only gonna die tired [08:54] m1x10 (m1x10@79.167.230.222) joined #highaltitude. [08:56] jcoxon (~jcoxon@ip-87-82-56-166.easynet.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [08:57] Jasperw (~jasperw@93.89.81.29) joined #highaltitude. [08:57] fsphil (~phil@2001:8b0:34:1:21f:c6ff:fe44:b25b) joined #highaltitude. [09:02] hey all [09:02] thanks for letting me use the tracker yesterday [09:03] it worked really well, lots of people got to see it [09:03] m1x10 (m1x10@79.167.230.222) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:03] Gnea (~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea) joined #highaltitude. [09:06] m1x10 (m1x10@ppp089210074066.dsl.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. [09:13] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) left irc: [09:18] I found an fsa03 with new breakout! http://www.beyondlogic.org/fsa03/ [09:19] you don't really need a breakout if you're making your own pcb's m1x10 [09:19] no RF problems then Darkside? [09:23] 6 hour internet outage last night, no fun at all: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11656851 [09:24] ! [09:32] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) joined #highaltitude. [09:37] Hmmm... Talk about failing at a critical point... I'd have expected things to be just a bit more distributed than that... [09:41] indeed [09:41] no mention of what actually happened [09:42] clearly a major fubar... [09:49] fsphil: linksprite responded to my mail about IR cam and told me its just the same chip. And the IR is automatically switched on/off depending on light. [09:50] ah-ha - that's pretty good [09:51] How's the IR switched on and off? Does it mechanically flip an IR filter in and out? [09:51] LazyLeopard: I dont know that. [09:51] probably just turns the LEDs on/off [09:51] you can mail support@linksprite.com [09:51] the price is too low for it to have a mechanical filter [09:52] Action: LazyLeopard has a low-light webcam that does that; plays havoc with focus. [09:52] fsphil where do u see the price!? [09:52] Presumably it's using a mask, then? [09:53] m1x10, well based on the price of the non-IR LED version [09:53] aa [09:53] ok [09:54] be interesting to see if it makes better pictures with an IR filter [09:54] LazyLeopard, I think it's IR illumination, rather than an IR filter [09:55] which would sort of imply that it doesnt have a filter I guess [09:55] Ah. Right. The kind that'll see maybe six feet in the dark on a good night... [09:55] that's it [09:56] not much use for hab'ing unfortunately ;-) [09:56] hey juxta! I don't remember but do u happen to have an fsa03 assembled board? [09:56] m1x10, as in a flight computer board? [09:57] I mean that from esawdust.com. The assembled thing alone. [09:57] oh, right [09:57] have? [09:57] no, I dont - i dont buy them in a breakout [09:57] ah ok [09:58] a friend has a few of them though, so I've seen them [09:58] can you do me favour? [09:58] ask your friend if he likes to sell me one? [09:58] esawdust.com stopped selling. [09:59] and my pcb which supports only that breakout is on the way to china.. [09:59] I think they're pretty much tied up [09:59] ah [09:59] well, I can ask [09:59] sorry, what do u mean? [09:59] tied up? [09:59] in use [09:59] aa [09:59] but i'll ask [09:59] Oh do it man [10:00] im totally out of plan [10:31] Gnea (~gnea@unaffiliated/gnea) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:33] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [10:40] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:44] m1x10, you could make your own breakout boards [10:49] ping amboar [10:55] fsphil my problem with fsa03 is soldering at most. [10:55] it's quite easy to solder [10:55] easier to solder it to a board than to wires I think [10:55] i dont want it on the mainboard [10:56] i want it modular [10:56] make a little breakout then [10:56] yea that's a good plan [10:56] jcoxon has a design, he might help you out :) [10:56] I've talked with jcoxon, he cant help me. [10:57] wait, so you wanted the gps to be connected via wires to your main board? [10:57] oh, but it has to be a ublox5? does it actually? can't you just use any gps? they all do vcc, gnd and serial generally [10:58] the mainboard will have a female header [10:58] the breakout will have a mail header [10:58] male* [10:58] I want ublox [10:58] I learned it [10:58] I like it [10:58] I spent much time decoding its protocol [10:58] if you use nmea they are all similar. forcing yourself to use ublox is clearly an issue if you can't get any [10:59] ublox got 2 things I like at most. A universal sentence that has all kings of info gathered. [10:59] 2nd vertical speed [10:59] why not put male headers on both m1x10 and use cable, then you can have it work with whatever pinout you like [10:59] you can compute vertical speed as the derivative of altitude really easily [10:59] use a* cable [11:02] juxta i still need a breakout [11:03] sparkfun got a new ublox5 with sarantel antenna [11:03] but 90$ [11:03] use jcoxon's design, or maybe see if he has some spares [11:04] I asked him to make an assembled for me and payhim the money but he sais he cant [11:05] well thats fair enough, I imagine he's quite busy - but it's easy to solder one yourself [11:05] you could design your own pcb or get a blank from him [11:05] soldering them isn't too hard [11:06] my problem is dual: I have already sent a pcb which supports the esawdust breakout. 2ndly I won't solder again an expensive device. [11:07] so make a new breakout that has the same pinout as the esawdust one to solve problem one [11:07] you won't get better at soldering without practise [11:07] I have destroyed the ttl cam, the fsa03 and the gsm module. I wont solder again such expensive devices. [11:08] what do you do to them? [11:08] rape? [11:08] i dont have good soldering iron [11:08] fat noses [11:08] broken noses [11:08] want to see my iron ? [11:09] http://imagebin.org/120908 [11:09] ew [11:09] uhm, get a new tip or better iron? [11:09] a solder station with a good solder iron costs >60$ which I cant afforfd [11:09] gonna be less than the cost of any of those three things you've already destroyed [11:09] you just need the right tool, this is what I use: http://www.airmagicfx.com/img/3-BUTANE-BLOWTORCH-Mag.jpg [11:10] lol juxta [11:10] right now I have collcted money to buy a new radio. About 50E from radiometrix. [11:10] seriously though, I use a $20 soldering iron and it's no problem to do surface mount [11:11] I should change my priorities [11:11] first buy a station [11:11] then the rest [11:11] here's my soldering iron [11:11] http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=TS1554&keywords=soldering+iron&form=KEYWORD [11:12] looks nice. can you change the noses? [11:12] +1 for soldering practice -- I used to be awful at it, but have definitely improved [11:12] yes, you can m1x10, but I never do, I dont have any other tips [11:12] well I need something else too [11:13] I must a way to clean the tips from the remained solder [11:13] the blowtorch wasnt so silly - I do use a blow torch for very large joints [11:13] that breaks the iron [11:13] I must find* [11:13] this is what you need m1x10 [11:13] http://www.rapidonline.com/netalogue/photos/M074321W01.jpg [11:14] it will cost a couple of dollars and will do a great job of cleaning the iron [11:14] hmm heading to sparkfun. I think ive seen that there. [11:14] im sure you can get it more locally [11:15] either that, or use this + water: http://hotbutter.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sponge.jpg [11:15] juxta, those wire spongie things any good? [11:16] yes, if you compare it to a sponge & water it's the best $2 you'll spend :) [11:16] http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8965 [11:16] shall do! [11:16] do they need replaced after a while? [11:17] they get clogged with solder, but I just shake it out every now and again [11:17] yea, the wire things are great [11:17] I may have replaced the brass pad once I think [11:17] but won't help with a tip like m1x10's really [11:17] no [11:17] you can also buy little pots of tip re-tinner [11:17] that's too far gone [11:17] yeah [11:17] that helps too [11:17] which are massively noxious [11:17] but help a lot [11:17] but if you keep it clean you generally dont need it [11:17] however to be honest I would buy a new tip at that point [11:17] yea [11:17] I've got some re-tinner [11:18] yikes m1x10, just saw the pic of your iron -- no wonder you're burning things :) [11:19] m1x10, if you want to solder on the cheap, start with something like this: [11:19] :p [11:19] I used to have one like that and I too destroyed more than a few boards ;-) [11:19] http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.47238 [11:19] plus this: [11:19] getting a new iron was the best thing I ever did [11:19] http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9159 [11:19] this too: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34154 [11:19] isnt 40W to much? [11:19] get a smaller iron if you like [11:19] no [11:20] but it's not the temperature, it's the power - more helps for big joints and thermal recovery [11:20] 40W is potentially not enough but for a firestarter like that I'd probably not want more [11:20] yea [11:20] better with temperature controlled irons though [11:20] yeah, don't leave that iron plugged in unattended for sure :D [11:20] a lot like that will just dump 40W into the tip all the time [11:20] i see some chinese letters. I dont like chinese things. greek people got killed we chinese devices. [11:20] still, better than what you have [11:21] that is quite a broad, sweeping statement [11:21] china is a big place [11:21] they make a lot of things [11:21] it is unlikely that most of them will kill you [11:21] i have heard a couple of times that ppl got killed by electric shocks [11:21] heh, a good 70% of the tech in my room is probably from china [11:22] m1x10: are you entirely sure what happened? it is more likely that rumour and hearsay has spread faster than facts [11:22] I think a good 70% of the tech in most people's pc's, cars etc is from China :) [11:22] I will visit some local shop here and try to find a solder iron with modular tips [11:22] it will probably have been made in china [11:22] lol [11:22] dont worry about modular tips m1x10, it's not really worth it [11:23] well, I mean [11:23] it is if you get a nice iron [11:23] juxta fat tips [11:23] yeah, if you have a nice iron, sure [11:23] all my irons had fat tips [11:23] nothing wrong with fattish tips, they can still be used, what's wrong is broken tips and horribly disfigured tips [11:23] but on a $6 iron I think I'd want my $6 going to wiring insulation, or something important like that ;p [11:23] quite [11:24] m1x10, tips are a matter of personal preference - I know people who do amazing work with a tip the size of a screwdriver [11:24] juxta i dont know [11:24] watching youtube tutorials didnt help me really [11:25] no videos will help you with a tip like the one you showed us [11:25] its like I need someone to grab my hands and direct them [11:25] the solder won't behave as it should [11:25] you'll be amazed how easy it is with a tip that's in good condition [11:27] seriously, that tip is mangled [11:27] it's probably worth getting a flux pen too [11:27] http://www.ps3repairvideos.com/Flux%20Pen.jpg [11:28] don't trust youtube either: how *NOT* to clean your tip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ML-CHr4AP4 [11:28] that'll help if you're finding it tricky [11:28] oh god what [11:28] that is an awful idea [11:28] why [11:28] noooo don't file the tip [11:28] i think he wants to re-tin it [11:28] so it's not so bad [11:29] but that tip looks like an evil witch claw [11:29] lol [11:29] tis the season [11:29] oh wow, he didn't actually tin it [11:29] lol [11:29] that's the worse 'tutorial' on youtube I've seen so far [11:30] worst too [11:30] the best bit is the comments, when someone says where he's going wrong he just replies that they're being stooopid [11:31] this is what you need [11:31] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Weller-Si175-Marksman-Soldering-Iron/dp/B0001P17AQ [11:31] 175 watts?? [11:31] heat up time a very long time [11:31] is* a [11:31] yeah [11:31] with the thermal mass of a small planet [11:31] what you want is the insane iron in the cusf lab [11:32] fuuu [11:32] actually that would have been useful when I was soldering my PV panels [11:32] yeah, it's good for large bits of brass/copper etc in antennas [11:32] those things are like heatsinks - my iron had no chance [11:32] my dad has this massive soldering iron too [11:33] bigger than the one you linked [11:33] i used it to solder copper pipe [11:33] yeah, i prefer a blow torch though for really big stuff like that [11:34] heh [11:34] i was soldering it to PCB tho [11:34] it's much faster to heat up [11:34] to make a biquad antenna (this was the reflector) [11:35] hey Darkside, i put the antenna that I fixed (the one that fell of my car and lay on the road for 8 hours getting run over by hundreds of cars) on the network analyzer [11:35] fell off* [11:35] turns out I now have an expensive stick [11:35] ooch [11:36] wha? [11:36] what antenna do you mean [11:36] guys thanks for the info. I'll see what I can do. Time to go eat something junky :) [11:37] ah my 70cm collinear, it fell off in mt barker last chase [11:37] food: http://www.out.gr/modules/FreeDrive/user_folders/PALAIOLOGOS/Pita%20Gyro.JPG [11:37] damn juxta :( [11:37] it was still there when I came back 8 hours later [11:38] though it lost most of it's antenna-like properties [11:38] at least on 430 mhz [11:38] i have a dual bander here if you want it [11:38] if anybody wants a great antenna for 385mhz, i've got you covered [11:38] some of the mhz escaped it seems [11:38] ;p [11:39] sounds like the loading coil got smushed [11:39] yeah [11:39] it did [11:39] i rewound it.. but oh well [11:39] again, if you want this dual bander, its yours [11:39] thanks - i'll chat to you about it next time :D [11:39] what base is it? [11:40] so-239 [11:40] awesome [11:40] you're a champ, I'd better go make some dinner to celebrate ;p [11:41] pff [11:41] i made some lemonade before, and after drinking half a cup of sugar I'm no longer hungry, funny that [11:41] i heh [11:41] heh [11:41] i last ate at about 4pm... [11:50] Action: fsphil is eating soon, chips + curry [11:50] oh man it's nearly 1 [11:50] I haven't had... breakfast or lunch [11:50] bugger and I need to get shopping [11:50] ugh [11:50] a magpie just hopped into my room them hopped out again, what [11:51] juxta: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs883.snc4/71643_1676385115880_1425030763_31750798_8004320_n.jpg [11:51] Quick! Grab it! Lunch! [11:51] lawl [11:51] haha two birds, one stone [11:51] haha [11:51] I just had some lovely date porridge. [11:51] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-NEW-10-x12-x1-2-CERAMIC-BODY-ARMOUR-PLATES-III-/330482333284?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item4cf2483664 [11:52] Buying critical safety equipment off ebay? Why not! [11:52] that seems legit SpeedEvil [11:52] nice Darkside :) [11:53] Action: juxta wonder why SpeedEvil was searching ebay for level III ceramic body armour plates.. [11:53] I wasn't. [11:53] I just bought a broken induction hob off the guy. [11:53] And was looking at his other items. [11:53] ah, hehe [11:54] i remember someone bought something from me on ebay some years ago, so I checked out his previous purchases [11:54] Broken induction hob + ceramic plate from halogen ceramic hob I have in the shed that I picked out of skip = shiny new cooker. [11:54] Well - mostly. [11:54] for feedback of course. *cough* [11:55] anyway - many questionable sexual accessories listed [11:55] yeah - if you're buying something that does not work, check back to see if they've recently bought the item. [11:55] As if they can't get it to work - ... [11:56] people buy questionable sexual accessories on ebay? [11:56] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Artificial-Insemination-AI-Kit-Home-Pregnancy-Fertility-/180577746741?pt=UK_Health_HealthCare_RL&hash=item2a0b45bf35 [11:56] oh, god, wha [11:56] i think it's more surprising that people buy (or sell at least) body armour [11:56] Start your childs ebay habit at conception! [11:57] comes with a free ovulation chart [11:57] bonus [11:57] this one doesnt seem to [11:57] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Judge-Turkey-Baster-Cake-Feeder-/130445100985?pt=UK_Kitchen_Accessories&hash=item1e5f2247b9 [11:59] seriously, who in their right mind would buy that [11:59] crazy [12:01] http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.36124 [12:01] Though my purchases from DX are seriously more mundane. [12:01] Bluetooth ODBII interface for car - $26 [12:01] but at $1.77 you almost may as well get a pregnancy test at the same time [12:02] 'high sensitivity' [12:02] Action: SpeedEvil thinks of amusing jape. [12:03] Place an electronic box with a display on the door of a ladies toilet on the inside. [12:03] On detecting tinkling sound, wait 24s, and print 'Congratulations! The analysis reveals that you're pregnant!' [12:04] Probably a bit too extreme. :) [12:04] They also have lots of stuff that looks potentially interesting for ballooning. [12:04] so a 'related item' to the pregnancy test is http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.29382 [12:04] which has had a whole load of reviews [12:04] but like [12:04] "Great practice for virgins" [12:04] Damn. You can get it pregnant? [12:05] technology these days [12:12] Guest5899 (~smealum@85-171-205-215.rev.numericable.fr) joined #highaltitude. [12:22] ! [12:22] my new TTL cam just arrived! [12:22] with pins soldered! [12:22] haha [12:22] Action: m1x10 is now a bit happy [12:23] http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/10/29/2338256/UAV-Helicopter-Flies-12-Hours-Charged-By-Laser [12:23] I was wanting to do that. [12:23] :/ [13:08] alright [13:08] this cam header [13:08] is not the standart 2.54mm [13:08] its smaller [13:08] SpeedEvil: this is the problem with coming up with awesome ideas [13:08] so i cant put it on breadboard [13:08] someone else always does so eventually and occasionally does it [13:08] m1x10: so make a breakout board or use wires [13:08] (or don't breadboard it) [13:09] i cant use wires [13:09] the pins are so little [13:09] that cannot be inserted into female jumper cables [13:09] solder [13:09] they are inserted but floating [13:09] and if i want to use it somewhere else? [13:09] unsolder>/ [13:09] ? [13:10] or don't breadboard, basically [13:17] MoALTz (~no@92.10.171.11) joined #highaltitude. [13:24] wx4jrr (47cfe739@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.207.231.57) joined #highaltitude. [13:43] soldering faild [13:45] all the planet makes 2.54mm pin holes, the jap makes it 2mm. [13:51] http://www.astrovox.gr/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=11636 [14:00] m1x10 (m1x10@ppp089210074066.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Quit: If you run you only gonna die tired [14:26] n4edt (4b78196b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.120.25.107) joined #highaltitude. [14:31] http://hackaday.com/ <- i read that as pedo-santa [14:32] that would be an interesting challenge [14:36] i think they were inspired by the antimov thing - the antimov videos look seriously lame [14:38] m1x10 (m1x10@ppp089210074066.dsl.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. [14:38] m1x10: soldering isnt that hard [14:41] are any 2mm spaced header available on the market? [14:43] lots [14:43] just try any major distributor [14:53] yes I need something to take 2mm and give out 2.54mm [14:53] hmm [14:54] where do you guys get your NTX2s? [14:57] Darkside, rfma.com.au are the aus distributor [14:57] I believe in the UK you can buy directly from radiometrix [14:57] but they just refer us on here [14:58] Jasperw (~jasperw@93.89.81.29) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:00] heh, no pricing [15:01] jcoxon (~jcoxon@212.183.140.29) joined #highaltitude. [15:01]