[00:18] shauno (~soneil@pdpc/supporter/professional/shauno) left irc: Quit: beep [00:41] juxta (Bogaurd@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [01:14] DrLuke (~luke@pD9E3A67B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [01:44] hey juxta [01:45] hi juxta & Darkside [01:45] juxta, did you bring pix? :) [01:45] what do you think of having one half of a 40m dipole going up from the payload along the string, and the other half trailing down to a small weight? [01:48] I suggest making it rotate, and having two weights that swing round at high speed with a rotating horizontal antenna. [01:48] Not for any particular reason - it'd look cool though. [01:49] pfffffffff [01:50] i'd love to have it horizontal :P [01:50] but thats going to be a bit hard :P [01:54] jasonb (~jasonb@dsl092-009-225.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:55] Hmm. [01:55] Be easy with 2 balloons [01:55] pff [01:56] easy? [01:56] just easier to have a vertical dipole :P [01:57] Well - easy - you have two balloons on a y-shaped string [01:57] near the necks, you put the horozontal element - which is spaced by the diameter. [01:58] haha [01:58] nah, i think i'll do a vertical dipole :) [01:58] PRobably easier [02:01] Hmm. In principle. Take a 'ladder' structure but with the rungs at 45 degrees - like \/\/\ - and then have this horizontal 20m - or whatever long. Now, connect to a balloon by strings ~100m long at 4 or 5 points. [02:01] Though in pracrtice, this would be silly [02:07] TraumaPony (~TraumaPon@202-173-162-181.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: [02:10] jasonb_ (~jasonb@m4d0536d0.tmodns.net) joined #highaltitude. [02:33] BuffaloSouljah (~alberto@2002:ad13:5efb:0:20c:76ff:fefb:b0e2) joined #highaltitude. [02:35] BuffaloSouljah (alberto@2002:ad13:5efb:0:20c:76ff:fefb:b0e2) left #highaltitude. [02:36] jasonb_ (~jasonb@m4d0536d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:43] hey Darkside, natrium42 [02:43] Darkside, that sounds fine :) [02:44] natrium42, had my lightroom HDD fail on me. just sorted the pics now: www.bogaurd.net/horus7 [02:44] now to put them on the blog [03:48] coool [03:48] of course i already have those images :P [04:22] DanielRichman: about? [04:57] natrium (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [04:58] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:28] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) joined #highaltitude. [05:49] natrium (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:06] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [06:11] m1x10 (m1x10@79.167.238.143) joined #highaltitude. [06:12] /names [06:12] whoops [06:12] who here was working on dl-fldigi? [06:35] rharrison (~rharrison@gateway.hgf.com) joined #highaltitude. [06:41] hey rharrison [06:41] Hi Darkside [06:41] How is it going [06:42] can dl-fldigi not send to a server? [06:42] i want to do some testing with it [06:42] Oh do you mean send to an alternative server [06:42] or no server at all, just log to a file [06:42] and log the properly decoded data, not just log everything [06:43] I think you can turn off sending to the server [06:43] im just trying to compile the latest version [06:43] I'm not too bothered if you want to do some testing use the server [06:43] the 3.11 version i had doesnt have it [06:43] im just having to fo a full macports update because i was gettinc curl errors [06:43] I'm not sure that the new one does either [06:44] In file included from /opt/local/include/curl/curl.h:44, from ./include/dl_fldigi.h:14, from dialogs/confdialog.cxx:10: [06:44] /opt/local/include/curl/curlrules.h:144: error: size of array __curl_rule_01__ is negative [06:44] /opt/local/include/curl/curlrules.h:154: error: size of array __curl_rule_02__ is negative [06:44] wheeee [06:44] But you should be able to turn off posting the data to the serve in the dl options [06:44] humm [06:44] DanielRichman, is your man for that [06:44] oh cool [06:45] he'll be on later tonight [06:45] well, i guess so anyway, not sure about time zones [06:45] I'm sure there is an offline option on almost all versions of dl-fldigi and you can set this to off if you just was to decose to the screen [06:46] or for that matter don't use the --hab option and use as normal [06:46] that is as good as test as any [06:46] ahh not what i mean [06:46] If you are interested in the posted output then just log to the server and see view.php [06:46] i meant if the received data passes the checksum, save it to a file [06:47] oh ok [06:47] Yep that would be good [06:47] Ask DanielRichman, he might implement that for you or you could right it [06:47] heh ok [06:47] write [06:47] :) [06:47] hmm i wonder what the highest bit-rate data mode fldigi supports is [06:47] Need coffee [06:47] i see a psk-500 now [06:48] We have done 300 baud rtty fine [06:48] yeah [06:48] i'd like to go higher than that if possible [06:48] 600 baud FSK would be cool [06:48] or 1200 baud [06:48] It's not as good at distance though [06:48] Yep [06:48] even if its just over FM [06:48] Right coffee time [06:48] also it would mean being able to decode commercial telemetry systems [06:48] FM has less distance [06:48] than USB [06:49] OK not for HAB then [06:49] heh [06:49] this is more for the fldigi people than for you :P [06:53] junderwood (~John@adsl.jcu.me.uk) joined #highaltitude. [07:01] i like cocks lol [07:07] juxta: about? [07:07] HEY [07:07] SHENKI [07:08] above post about cocks not written by me...... go complain to shenki (in #qemurulez) about that one... [07:10] this is why i need to lock my computer whenever i leave i for a fe wminutes.. [07:20] Darkside when you instal dl-fldigi you get 2 icons, HAB mode and normal just run it in normal [07:21] morning [07:24] heh [07:24] i cant actually compile it atm [07:26] What O/S you on ? [07:27] OSX [07:27] im just updating curl in macports [07:27] since thats where the error was [07:28] oh Mac..obligatory upgrade to a PC comment [07:28] dont you dare :P [07:28] :) [07:36] Upu: [07:36] In file included from /opt/local/include/curl/curl.h:35, from ./include/dl_fldigi.h:14, from dialogs/confdialog.cxx:10: [07:36] /opt/local/include/curl/curlrules.h:143: error: size of array __curl_rule_01__ is negative [07:36] /opt/local/include/curl/curlrules.h:153: error: size of array __curl_rule_02__ is negative [07:39] fsphil (~phil@195.112.16.91) joined #highaltitude. [07:46] fsphil (~phil@195.112.16.91) left irc: Quit: test test [07:47] fsphil (~phil@195.112.16.91) joined #highaltitude. [07:54] Sorry Darkside I'm not into the programming side of things [07:56] d'oh -- my atu was returned but they forgot to put the antenna cable back in the box. [08:01] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:28] TraumaPony (~TraumaPon@202-173-162-181.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #highaltitude. [08:53] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host86-148-240-8.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:04] GW8RAK_ (~chatzilla@host86-148-240-8.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:07] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host86-148-240-8.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:07] Nick change: GW8RAK_ -> GW8RAK [09:24] Darkside, lol re above. Looks like your friends have a sense of humor [09:51] Darkside: if you compile the latest there is an "online" option which you can of course turn off, if you start without the --hab flag then it's off by default [09:51] everything that it would have done, were it online, is spewed out of stderr [09:51] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-137-224-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:53] However I have no idea why "size of array __curl_rule_01__ is negative". jcoxon has compiled - and continues to succesfully package fldigi for the mac [09:58] seems to be a common problem [09:59] http://curl.haxx.se/mail/lib-2008-09/0051.html [09:59] morning all [10:00] seems like when I have two gps very close bad things happen ! [10:01] "A "sudo port install curl" cleared up the curl_rule issue" [10:02] I have EM406 polling in a while(1) manner. I have the FSA03 polling every minute. When FSa03 is not working EM406 is locked. When Fsa works immediatelly EM406 unlocks then locks again. [10:02] GPGGA,100144.000,4038.5548,N,02256.8591,E,1,00,50.0,119.2,M,36.1,M,,0000 [10:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:02] GPGGA,100144.000,,,,,0,00,50.0,,M,37318550546624283000.0,M,,0000 [10:02] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [10:02] GPGGA,100145.000,4038.5551,N,02256.8593,E,1,03,50.0,119.0,M,36.1,M,,0000 [10:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:04] we know where you are [10:04] :) [10:04] interference? [10:04] 100% [10:05] fsphil: http://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/commit/0eb36de2a85dfbb54a53ecfa8f8b9f48a3366062 ? [10:05] just only when FSA polls EM406 unlocks. [10:05] m1x10: what are both gpses connected to? [10:05] arduino [10:05] eroomde (~ed@nessie.habhub.org) joined #highaltitude. [10:05] if they're both connected to the same arduino your code could be causing it [10:05] separate [10:05] two arduinos? [10:05] y [10:05] :o [10:05] :) [10:06] and so you've got two terminals open reading serial data? [10:06] also, hi eroomde :) [10:06] yeah [10:06] DanielRichman, oops - forgot that [10:06] fsphil: :) [10:06] just only when FSA polls EM406 unlocks. [10:06] hi DanielRichman - just a flying visit, am heading out in a jiff to play with grapes [10:06] it 100% interference [10:06] how things? [10:06] but they are very close [10:06] 2-3cm [10:07] antennas [10:07] all good. Sorry, I killed your old irssi session w. a reboot [10:07] np [10:07] some "any user gets local root" vulnerabilities >.> [10:07] if i got upset about that kind of thing... [10:08] ok now I moved FSA on the other side of the box and EM406 doesnt unlock. [10:08] oh now it unlocks. but not at every FSA03 poll. [10:09] eroomde: depending on how long you're around for I'd be interseted on your comments on http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas-tools/browse_thread/thread/f555b611c3feb6fe [10:09] though if you're in a rush d/w [10:11] fsphil: I'm going to see if I can beat these signal()s into submission [10:11] hey DanielRichman [10:11] morning [10:12] how exactly are you generating audio from your dominoEX code? [10:12] DanielRichman: ok let me have a look. I may not have time to repond right now (it's drinks time over here) [10:12] it looks like its just writing the frequency value to the DAC [10:12] hi eroomde :) [10:12] something something somthing VCO. something something something COMPLETE [10:12] also i kind of managed to get it working with my signal gen, but its not doing the frequency shifts properly [10:12] that should answer your question, Darkside [10:13] well yes [10:13] Darkside: the NiM2 or NTX2s are FM transmitters but we receive in SSB mode [10:13] thats what im thinking [10:13] ohhhhh [10:13] i see [10:13] ok, so how do the base and shifts correspond to actual output frequency? [10:14] er... by trial and error :P [10:14] i.e. what voltage is what shift [10:14] hahaha [10:14] damn [10:14] i guess ill have to try and tune mine too [10:14] will prolly use your app :P [10:14] yeah see usart_dac.{c,py} [10:14] http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide [10:14] what usart are you using? [10:14] and then once I had a rough idea I just tried it until it worked [10:14] the one that goes via the ATUSB? [10:14] yeah that's the one [10:15] hmm on windows or nix? [10:15] not sure how to get that working on OSX [10:15] USARTC0 [10:15] ahh [10:15] hey, see my pic: http://imagebin.org/112375 [10:16] is connected to the atusb, and that either showed up as /dev/ttyACM0 or /dev/ttyUSB0; I can't remember which [10:16] in that distance still have interference [10:16] DanielRichman: hmm [10:17] Darkside, lol. I just sew the funny message from your friend ! [10:17] 'funny message' [10:17] :( [10:17] cocky-message ! [10:17] haha [10:18] that specific thing happened at least one time to most of us. [10:19] defy (~defy@ip-118-90-21-40.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined #highaltitude. [10:19] still growing i see :) [10:22] hey defy [10:22] hows it going? [10:23] not bad. just graduated. last time we really spoke I hadn't yet started at university [10:23] (it's edmoore) [10:23] i remember :) congrats [10:24] ta. how are things with you? [10:24] its been quite a while, probably 2007ish since i really came in here and had a good chat [10:25] not bad, im a flight instructor here in auckland now...the caa have just released the first copy of the AC regarding UAVS, and my boss wants me to head a uav project for next year, so I'm dusting off all my old gear, thought i'd stop in and say hey [10:25] oh brill [10:25] that's exciting [10:25] yea i couldn't believe it when he told me he's willing to pay me to do what i used to do as a hobby [10:25] what sort f UAV? [10:26] just a general platform at this stage, something to build onto...the caa are allowing upwards of 150kg max weight, so potentially something quite large [10:27] possibly a flir as payload [10:27] flir? [10:27] forward looking infra red? [10:27] Hi. [10:28] forward looking infrared camera [10:28] Fuck, that's damn huge. [10:28] What regs are there on that? [10:28] lots :P [10:28] :) [10:28] something that large will require all the same certification as a manned aircraft [10:28] Is there an unregulated weight limit? [10:28] Well - there are manned aircraft in that weight range! With pilot. [10:29] there are 6 categories in the first AC, up to category 3 (about 30kg i think) won't need too much certification [10:29] yea but those aren't real aircraft, those are microlites [10:29] they don't count :) [10:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colomban_Cri-cri [10:29] That's a real aircraft [10:29] defy: i've just been flying with uav's with ir cams [10:29] There is even a jret variant. [10:30] SpeedEvil I've seen one of those first hand, bloody death trap, you'd never catch me in one [10:30] more downward looking [10:30] http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=112377 [10:30] And OK - you'd need a 40Kg pilot to hit 150Kg. :) [10:30] defy: yeah - they are a bit silly. [10:31] we were trying to study hydrology in the alps. our bit was generating 3d tomography maps in real time and superimposing thermal data onto them, so there was a fair bit of computing horsepower on the blimp [10:31] very cool [10:31] I will note that the 747 has killed thousands of times more people than teh cricri. :) [10:31] eroomde: Why are you doing it on the blimp? [10:31] eroomde: Oh - manned blimp? [10:32] no [10:32] blimp has endurance and stability [10:32] SpeedEvil the name cracks me up, one flight and your wife is crycrying? [10:33] eroomde: I mean why are you superimposing on the blimp - and not simply downlonking. [10:33] because the stereo cameras produce about 500MBit each [10:33] need to decimate that right down [10:33] Ah. [10:34] eroomde how much wind could it handle ? [10:34] although you could just about get away with a pair of SSDs in RAID [10:35] defy: well, that particular one actually couldn't hadnle the winds on that last day, but the slightly slimmer one we're using for version 2 (yes, there needs to be a new one....) can take about 12m/s happily enough [10:35] Or several 2.5" drives [10:35] SpeedEvil: really don't want mechanical drives on that thing [10:36] it gets wet, cold, and that photo was taken at about 2300m, and we went a fair bit higher too [10:36] pretty cool, blimps definitely have their place...thats something we haven't even considered yet [10:36] we'll looking at commercial work like powerline inspection and ag spraying...basically we're trying to get rid of our own jobs at pilots...probably not the best idea but pretty fun [10:37] i agree - they're quite a nice fit for a few applications, but certainly have their limits [10:37] as* [10:37] has james done any launches lately? [10:37] not that lately [10:38] i think the last one was Nova18/Pegasus [10:38] with SSTV [10:38] is that the one that ended up in the ocean? [10:38] True. [10:38] nope [10:38] we got it back, saw it coe down too [10:39] it was Nova 18, 'Squirrel' (CUSF android phone), a private experiment, and pegasus [10:39] Also - someone recovered one that went in the ocean. [10:39] a fun day, actually [10:39] In a boat. [10:39] And it was still taking pictures. [10:39] I forget who it was - someone dutch? [10:39] I'm blanking on the name. [10:40] defy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/sets/72157624203062811/ [10:40] haha, awesome [10:40] I want to get my own UAV up. [10:40] http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png [10:41] ~1Kg vectored thrust helicopter optimised for vertical climb. [10:41] where is the antitorque? [10:42] The initial design is to have the four vanes at the bottom act as a countertorque. [10:42] have you looked at a quadrocopter design? they are very stable [10:42] As well as independant manouvering things. [10:42] yes. [10:42] But they are much larger, and do not have shrouded blades. [10:43] I agree, they are technically better in some ways, and lots easier. [10:43] The wrinkle in this is that you can also attach a wing. [10:43] right gtg, catch you all later [10:44] So you get a bimodal thing that's either a helicopter, or a VTOL capable (in principle, though probably not in pratice) winged device [10:44] WAve eroomde [10:45] later eroomde [10:45] interesting, i designed a winged quadrocopter a few years back [10:45] never actually made the aircraft, was just a concept [10:46] i miss playing with my toys, all i get to do these days is nearly die by the hands of crazy students [10:47] :) [10:48] Making a UAV that performs as well as a crazy student may still be challenging I guess. [10:48] I have no doubts that I can teach a computer to fly quicker than a human [10:49] Edge cases are annoying. [10:49] But true. [10:49] teaching someone to hover takes weeks [10:50] Especially in a cessna. [10:51] :) [10:51] haha, i dont do fixed wing :P [10:51] My helicopter piloting is limited to virtual, and ones weighing under 100g. :) [10:52] But I do have a sort-of-project to do an autopilot for the latter. [10:52] Which could be fun. [10:52] The profusion of MEMS chips is nice for that. [10:52] sweet, that would be a challenge for sure, but its definitely possible [10:52] Tiny packages quite adequate for autopiloting, and even mobile cameras that are useful too. [10:53] There are some insanely awesome people out there. [10:53] http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 [10:53] A RC plane in 225mg [10:53] jeez [10:53] lol [10:54] It looks like a kids sketch of an aeroplane, and it flies! [10:55] What sort of airframe are you planning? Quad? [10:56] we'll start with a simple glider to start with, may move onto something rotory later [10:57] fsphil: Unless I'm missing something, this http://pastebin.com/wXMYN2WG (the pthreadswin32 implementation) might be why it doesn't work [10:58] defy: Sounds sane. [10:58] defy: Motorgliders are probably a good place to start if you want long duration. [10:59] bbiab [11:00] defy: Annoyingly - the above was designed when there was a gap in the regulations meaning it was not regulated. It now is, which makes the buisness model awkward - but meh. [11:03] Am I reading that right DanielRichman, that function doesn't actually do anything? [11:05] sleep for me, good chatting, no doubt ill be back to pick the channels brains sometime soon [11:06] Wave. [11:06] Laurenceb: has done some fun stuff [11:07] cya [11:07] has done :P [11:07] too busy these days :( [11:07] :/ [11:08] on the + side my garden is done [11:09] Woo! [11:09] :) [11:09] I need to pick some apples [11:09] that was taken a couple of weeks ago - now has a custom size shed and fully seeded grass http://i.imgur.com/Lr8yi.jpg [11:09] I would guess there are perhaps 10 bags of apples to come in. [11:09] brb [11:09] neat [11:09] Looking good. [11:09] saves some shopping [11:10] walls took way too long [11:10] one on rhs had to be rebuilt [11:10] brb [11:10] http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4932081050/ - been doing lawns and stuff this year. [11:10] I need to do rebuilding walls too. :) [11:25] fsphil: exactly [11:29] to quote a random place on the internet, "Windows is not POSIX. It does not have signals" [11:29] >.> [11:35] gah [11:37] It gets worse [11:37] according to a java bug report, [11:37] "The native win32 IO semantics are [11:37] synchonous io and asynchronous io. There is no IO semantics [11:37] that is equivalent to interruptable io." [11:38] perhaps I could set a (reasonably large) timeout on IO and then check a global variable to see if we want the thread to exit [11:38] bit ugly [11:41] rjmunro (~chatzilla@host81-136-206-155.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:44] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-137-224-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:50] I don't think there's any other way [11:51] so basically if you want the serial thread to restart and it's currently blocked inside something you'll have to wait 10s. No biggie. [11:55] yea [11:56] though the timeout could be a lot less, it won't have any real impact even if it's 2 seconds [11:57] ok. There are some interesting timeout options; you can set the timeout based on [11:57] - maximum time between two bytes arriving (ie. if the comm port goes totally silent for more than it times out) [11:57] - maximum overall time spent in Read() as a product of the number of bytes requested and [11:58] - a constant to add to the above [11:58] I'm going to set it to 1000, 5000 - that is, if the commport goes totally silent it will timeout in 1s, otherwise it times out in 5s [12:02] keep them both 1s .. if someone wants the thread dead, they don't care if it's current receiving [12:02] +ly [12:08] perhaps we need an ungetc() call; so that if it times out and the fscanf drops out, but the serial_updated flag isn't set and it loops around to the getchar(), that call could pop the 'G' off the stream and therefore cause us to lose a whole GPGGA string [12:09] ie. once fgetc has found a '$' maybe it should put it back into the buffer [12:09] lonek (lonek@host81-137-96-89.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:10] actually; ignore that. If it times out they'll return EOF and we close the stream whatever >.> [12:10] don't want it to time out accidentally on valid data [12:16] should never happen [12:49] juxta, cool pics was that on your chinise balloon [12:49] rharrison, yup :) [12:50] Just read the 6 and 7 reports [12:50] Shame someone didn't catch the payload [12:50] haha [12:50] next time :) [12:50] Fantastic vidio though [12:50] Video [12:50] cheers! [12:51] AU is definitly the place for HAB how is your NOTAM [12:51] Do you have an open ended agreement in place [12:52] I basically have a permit for a launch area [12:53] from there I just send them an email a few days in advance to let them know I want to launch and a NOTAM is organised [12:54] Cool [12:55] Did that cause a problem with the slight change if launch location or was that sliped in? [12:56] basically my permit says 'at or near location' [12:56] i only moved a few km so it wasnt an issue [12:56] Cool ... [12:58] it's not too bad, it just took a while to get it all in place [13:00] they also told me in my paperwork that I need to ring ATC before I launch [13:00] everytime I do though ATC tell me not to bother them [13:07] I've heard they do that here too [13:08] rharrison, how goes the permanant notam? I've been pondering one here -- NI is pretty small so it could be useful for anyone else here who wanted to launch [13:09] Yep well it's taken an age and I'v just sent them an email for a progress report [13:09] Hopfully soon (*$&(*)^$(�"*& :) [13:10] fingers crossed! [13:18] alikins_ (~adrian@cpe-066-057-101-225.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: alikins_ [13:22] fsphil: do you think that locking the mutex, checking a variable, unlocking the mutex every single time we receive a char is going to be too much of a problem? I know it's inefficient and hacky... [13:24] spadusa (~Andreas@173-12-142-238-jacksonville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #highaltitude. 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