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[04:14] ping Darkside [04:33] hey juxta [04:34] hey there [04:34] just about to post out the qsl cards for h6 [04:34] pong [04:34] ahh [04:34] was going to see what you thought [04:34] oh man [04:34] use the pic from horus 7 and plot positions on them :P [04:35] the pic where you can see the eyre peninsula [04:35] IMG_2209 [04:35] www.bogaurd.net/Horus-QSL-Card.png is what i put together [04:36] hehe thats cool too :) [04:36] let me see 2209 [04:36] that's a nice one [04:37] I havent had a chance to put them all up yet [04:37] need to do it today [04:37] hehe [04:37] theres a *lot* of pictures.. [05:04] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) joined #highaltitude. [05:13] jasonb (~jasonb@m330536d0.tmodns.net) joined #highaltitude. [05:14] jasonb (~jasonb@m330536d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [05:15] jasonb (~jasonb@m430536d0.tmodns.net) joined #highaltitude. 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[07:40] morning [07:42] morning earthshine [07:42] good morning earthshine [07:42] morning all [07:42] the stars say hello [07:42] morning all [07:42] :) [07:43] evening Darkside and juxta :) [07:43] haha [07:43] yep [07:43] Darkside, posted out all those QSL cards [07:43] its 1713 here [07:43] cool juxta [07:44] ah Darkside, that's home time for me :) [07:44] lol [07:44] im still at uni [07:45] considering hanging around and doing some work, but will probably head home soon [07:54] jshriver (~jshriver@cblmdm24-53-177-197.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [07:54] jshriver (~jshriver@cblmdm24-53-177-197.buckeyecom.net) joined #highaltitude. [08:01] morning [08:04] Hi Upu [08:05] I tried the display command in lua script lang [08:05] And for my cam A480 it shuts down the cam [08:32] rharrison (~rharrison@gateway.hgf.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:43] ah that's not good m1x10 :) [08:43] seems to work on my A710 [08:43] Having problems making it boot from an 8Gb card at the moment, I've done the switch thing but it doesn't seem to boot [08:43] yeah, same button different functions. [08:43] I'll play round tonight if I get a moment [08:44] hopefully my pink gaffer tape should be turning up today :) [08:44] :p [08:44] I wrote my own intervalometer [08:44] just doing shoot(); sleep(x); [08:45] disabled all AF things and enabled landscape mode at 6MP [08:45] you have to get that screen off :) [08:45] or batteries won't last long [08:45] after 10s is off [08:45] smart [08:45] ok afk [08:45] my cams menu has that [08:46] bb [08:46] i flew with the screen on the other day [08:46] still seemed to last plenty long :) [08:46] with lithiums? [08:47] yep [09:22] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) joined #highaltitude. [09:29] http://ava.upuaut.net/files/hivis.jpg [09:29] :) [09:30] the goggles, they do nothing! [09:44] ah is this for the famed pink payload? :) [09:46] indeed :) [09:51] lool [09:53] I use pink string if that counts [10:02] Upu: that is excellent [10:02] hehehe [10:09] smeaway (~smealum@85-170-63-39.rev.numericable.fr) joined #highaltitude. [10:16] Daviey_ (~Daviey@bootie.daviey.com) joined #highaltitude. [10:16] Daviey (~Daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:16] Nick change: Daviey_ -> Daviey [10:16] Daviey (~Daviey@bootie.daviey.com) left irc: Changing host [10:16] Daviey (~Daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey) joined #highaltitude. [10:28] You know, the pink might actually be a good idea. It would help you find it in a field. [10:28] do a night launch with a big flashing LED [10:28] well, multiple flashing LEDs [10:28] the only thing I could think of better would be phosphorus glow in the dark payload [10:29] or flashy LEDs :D [10:29] yeah a strong led inside the balloon ! [10:29] oh that would be cool [10:29] will make it very sinny [10:29] shiny* [10:29] but when it comes down to ground the balloon will already have popped [10:29] so it wont help that much [10:30] hehe [10:30] juxta: what would be the best way to set up a HF antenna for a launch? have it trail down, or run it up along the string to the balloon [10:31] im still tossing up whether to use 80m or 40m for the payloa [10:31] alternatively you could do 40m with both cable going up and down the string - make a dipole! [10:32] i mean, cable going up the string and cable trailing down from the payload [10:33] hang it down from the payload seems most sensible [10:33] yeah, could do a monopole like that [10:33] wouldn't have a ground plane though [10:33] I like the idea of both, and make the dipole [10:34] that'd be cool [10:34] yeah, a dipole would be good [10:34] means 40m would be best [10:34] you'd want 40m of cord between the payload and chute though [10:34] wh? [10:34] eh? [10:34] a 40m dipole would be 20m long [10:34] oh i see what you mean [10:34] yes that'd be neat :) [10:34] 10m above and below the payload box [10:35] and the half of the dipole btween the payload and the chute would be 10m [10:35] yeah [10:35] the radiation pattern is a bit worrying, but it could still work [10:35] since juxta has been using a vertical antenna for UHF and thats been working fine [10:35] and thats on even less power, with more path loss than what i'm going to be doing [10:42] Nick change: smeaway -> smealum [10:45] Jasperw (~jasperw@93.89.81.29) joined #highaltitude. [10:46] fsphil: I see you've pushed a few changes; does that now work totally with your GPS? [10:46] w/o any hacking [10:46] yes, but... [10:47] arg ... one sec, got called away [10:47] well with the only hack being the use of listen.test.php [10:51] my gps is on /dev/ttyUSB0 [10:51] er, /dev/ttyUSB1 [10:52] but if it's configured for /dev/ttyUSB0 it obviously doesn't work [10:52] but when I change the config to /dev/ttyUSB1 it won't work until I restart the app [10:53] Right so it works but you can't change the config once it's opened a port? [10:53] seems to be that way [10:53] do you have - (I guess you're at work so no rush now?) - debug output? [10:53] lemme test again [10:54] it should say that "setup began", and that's the function that sends the signal [10:56] dl_fldigi: dl_fldigi_gps setup begin [10:57] what, and then nothing else happens? [11:00] it seems to just continue as normal [11:00] I see [11:06] fsphil: the good news is that I can reproduce the error ;) [11:06] fsphil: and I can debug this one [11:09] yay .. I can't do too much here atm [11:27] fsphil: fixed and pushed [11:30] testing now [11:31] earthshine (~earthshin@cpc3-orpi1-0-0-cust867.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Bye bye ! [11:35] perfect! [11:35] :) [11:36] now, to make it work on win32 [11:36] fldigi already what looks like some x-platform serial routines [11:36] forex whenever it starts you see that testCommPorts list; have been looking at that [11:37] only downside is that if you plug something in after it has initialised the list won't be updated. Maybe I could change that, I don't know if I should copy the testCommPorts function or edit it and risk all kind of hell [11:37] will have to double check exactly what it affects. It might be possible to simply call testCommPorts again and get the list updated. [11:37] if so that would make the UI a lot frendlier [11:45] looks like running it again is harmless [11:45] my thoughts exactly [11:45] I wonder why they haven't done that already [11:45] would be a neat feature [13:00] fsphil: I've upggraded the configure-dialog page for the gps thread ;) Next job is to get it to work on windoze (and perhaps mac? don't know if it will work out of the box) [13:00] but first, sandvich. BBL :) tyvm for your help with this [13:00] and I hope this doesn't cause more crashes >.> [13:02] np DanielRichman, great to have this now! [13:02] I can't test on the mac, but there's plenty of macites here anyway :) [13:11] ejcweb (~chatzilla@216.207.125.91.gr7.adsl.brightview.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:18] between you and me DanielRichman I decided to make it some fluoresant colour before I made the bet with you :) [13:18] :P [13:18] alikins_ (~adrian@cpe-066-057-101-225.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: alikins_ [13:18] shocking [13:18] :o [13:20] anyway hopefully that's the end of the chasecar gps, on linux at least [13:20] fluid is awesome. [13:23] the drop down is really nice [13:24] I don't know why fldigi hasn't got Refresh buttons by the other three dropdowns for selecting serial ports [13:24] because on all platforms I know they can come and go [13:25] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:26] is the clock on the server slow? the update time on the chase car seems to be about 4 minutes behind [13:27] yes one of the clocks is wrong [13:27] iirc it's RJH's [13:27] spacenear's clock looks right [13:29] yep rjh's server is slow [13:29] clock-wirse [13:29] * wise [13:30] one sec [13:31] should be correct now :) [13:31] :) [13:33] Upu, is that legal ( http://ava.upuaut.net/files/hivis.jpg ) [13:35] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) joined #highaltitude. [13:49] hualon (~Hualon@rrcs-24-199-154-50.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined #highaltitude. [14:05] Haha not sure there any restrictions on bright pink in the air, however if there are please do correct me rharrison :) [14:07] fsphil time on Nessie should be right as it's using NTP [14:07] Upu, hehe [14:07] No there are no restrictions [14:07] :) [14:07] It will be the first pink payload :) [14:08] how's the payload going Upu? [14:08] very well got the components now so just need to sort a PCB out [14:08] and make a pink box for it all to go in [14:08] good stuff [14:08] sounds like it's going well :) [14:08] how's the York NOTAM going any response ? [14:09] Upu, times all correct now [14:09] I got some cameras as well now so just need to put it all together and test I guess [14:09] Didn't they use pink on some spy planes during the war, because it was the most difficult to see colour against a blue background? [14:10] lol [14:10] and there is me thinking it would be the easiest to see [14:10] hehe I never knew that [14:10] surely blue would be more difficult? [14:11] they painted the bottom of fighters blue in the war [14:11] they sure as hell didn't paint Spitfires pink [14:11] http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2007-11/8237.jpg [14:11] doh [14:12] alexandre (~alexandre@217.33.98.4) joined #highaltitude. [14:12] sexy [14:12] alexandre (alexandre@217.33.98.4) left #highaltitude. [14:12] aye that's the pic I seen [14:12] rharrison quick question where do you sent the NOTAM requests ? Reason I ask is I know someone who works for the DAP @ CAA House [14:13] I have no idea if he knows the people who do the NOTAMS or could have any influence but he owes me a million favours so always worth asking [14:13] I guess the guy dealing with them is David Miller at the AUS [14:13] Yep it's david [14:14] But I would suggest that we let him have a rest for a bit [14:14] sure [14:14] Upu, I'm happy to launch your stuff from Elvingtion when it comes through [14:15] That would be great, I'm happy to wait for a spot realise I'm a little late to the party [14:15] rharrison, at the rate I'm going I might have to launch over there too [14:15] That will have a 24/7 NOTAM for 6 months [14:15] lovely [14:15] And it will be renewed [14:15] does it cost ? [14:15] I'm thinking that we should get like 5 semi permanent places across the UK and agree to launch from these [14:16] Upu, no ATM it's free [14:16] ok great. [14:16] And finally before I run off on site, anyone interested in these ballons from China that juxta was using ? [14:16] EARS in Camb we pay 200 pound a year to the farmer [14:16] ok [14:16] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:16] and I'll probably get some drink for the guys at elvington [14:17] Upu, be goot to test some [14:17] What are the prices and sizes like [14:17] Going have a chat and get some across I think, I might be able to steal some space in a container :) [14:17] Do they have a website? [14:17] 1000g-2000g [14:17] yeah [14:17] rharrison, yeah - hwoyee.com [14:17] jasonb (~jasonb@adsl-66-124-73-250.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) joined #highaltitude. [14:18] http://hwoyee.com/ [14:18] The totex site is crap [14:18] they have smaller than 1000g too [14:18] http://hwoyee.com/base.asp?scclassid=521 [14:18] I have some mad ideas for the smaller ones [14:18] I used a 1000g the other day to get a 500g payload to 35.3 km rharrison [14:19] $22 for 1000g or something [14:19] Cool how are they on price ? [14:19] yep [14:19] juxta, hehe didn't see you there [14:19] lurking :) [14:19] we (CUSF) might grab a couple too if they are ordered over here in bulk [14:19] hehe [14:19] I'm up for 5 1500's [14:19] so if I was to place an order people might be interested ? [14:19] ok [14:19] Upu: yes [14:19] leave it with me I'll get some prices and have a chat before I order [14:19] rharrison, the 1500's are quite expensive in comparison [14:19] may as well go for the 2kg [14:20] 38k :) [14:20] oh what are the prices for those [14:20] this is the price they quoted me: [14:20] 600g USD10.36 [14:20] 1000g USD22.41 [14:20] 1600g (instead of 1500g) USD59.93 [14:20] 2000g USD77.70 [14:20] not bad [14:20] i bought some 600, 1000's and a 2000 [14:20] pretty cheap really [14:21] relatively [14:21] I'll have a chat later on with them I need to go do some work now [14:21] yeah, quite [14:21] cheers [14:21] cool [14:21] Yep we should talk with steve randall [14:21] aka rocketboy [14:21] rharrison: indeed, he might be interested in stocking them [14:21] ok will do [14:21] Don't want him buying a load only for us to leave them for these [14:22] I feel market forces at work here :) [14:22] heh yes [14:22] lol ok really afk now [14:22] But at that pice I would happily paid in ADV for 5 1600 [14:22] Not sure that the 2kg's are worth having [14:23] I think the UV actually limits the alt and not the balloon size. (exp. to date) [14:23] pay [14:24] smealum (~smealum@85-170-63-39.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:24] would be interesting to measure it at altitude [14:25] Good news everyone! The win32 sockets api is not only really easy to use but integrates nicely with the mingw fopen, fscanf, fgetc functions (!) [14:25] s/sockets /serial ports/ [14:25] \o/ [14:26] No. it really isn't. This is going to be horrible [14:26] hehe [14:26] [o\ [14:28] I think I will have to use a char [] buffer and use sscanf [14:29] rharrison: Suncream. [14:30] rharrison: What happened to your idea of measuring internal pressure? [14:32] SpeedEvil, I just need to get the payload up it's all ready to go save the NOTAM [14:35] Ah [14:35] So nothing other than extreme delays. [14:35] I know how rthat goes alas. [14:35] I've been trying to get something posrted for 3 weeks. [14:35] posted [14:36] Transport problems, and low energy levels. Meh. 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[15:27] hi [15:27] Action: Laurenceb was reading about copenhagen suborbital [15:27] their rocket design looks pretty sensible [15:31] hmm; this should make things easier http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ks2530z6.aspx [15:32] jasonb (~jasonb@adsl-66-124-73-250.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:39] the limited reading - it does look interesting, yes [15:39] not fundamentally insane [15:41] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-137-224-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:48] juxta (Bogaurd@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:48] jasonb (~jasonb@m3d0536d0.tmodns.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:26] Yay, Icarus is going to be a Trade Mark in HAB [16:26] ejcweb (~chatzilla@216.207.125.91.gr7.adsl.brightview.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:27] Not that I plan to enforce my TM rights [16:28] The good news is that it works on windows! The bad news is that it only sort of works. [16:28] Basically my company want to do a calendar and they wanted to register the Icarus name so they had an excuse to send the calender out the US lawyers :) [16:44] fsphil: have found a side-effect of re-running testCommPorts [16:45] bad? [16:45] btw I had a segfault on startup earlier, but it only happened the once. I haven't been able to reproduce it [16:47] brb, food [16:48] fsphil: yeah windows by default doesn't let more than one thread/process open a file [16:48] so if the serial gps thread has it open then re-running testCommPorts (which tries to open every possible com port aiui) will not "detect" it since the open will fail [16:49] I'm going to try GetLastError() == ERROR_SHARING_VIOLATION which should detect it [16:50] jasonb (~jasonb@m3d0536d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:00] nice [17:01] I was going to test this now but my gps is failing to lock now [17:02] ;'( [17:03] don't worry, we've established that it works (sort of) :) [17:04] it's getting the time, and altitude, but not position bizarrely [17:05] interesting. I've managed to get a gps working (on linux atleast. Need to find a win32 driver disk, ironically) [17:08] jasonb (~jasonb@dsl092-009-225.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #highaltitude. [17:18] fsphil: http://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi/commit/eee2ab2e911e308d41c53db27b09952ef0f80134 brb, windows testing time [17:28] rharrison (~rharrison@gateway.hgf.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:30] timbobel (~timboebl@5ED040EE.cable.ziggo.nl) joined #highaltitude. [17:30] hi [17:30] i had exam [17:30] Go well? [17:31] Brown Boys Reveal Young Girls, But Violet Gives Willingly [17:31] 39/40 [17:31] see if i can request "PH4T" [17:31] :) [17:31] or PA7AT, which is dutch for friench fries [17:33] so yeah [17:33] easy as crap [17:33] although there was a guy that stated he forgot how to calculate with two resistors in series [17:33] and there was a boy ~10yo that was crying cos he failed [17:37] aww [17:39] ejcweb (~chatzilla@216.207.125.91.gr7.adsl.brightview.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] [17:41] all right! it's working! Still need to sort out this signals mess [17:41] fantastic [17:41] - I can't interrupt it while it's processing gps data [17:41] but it seems to grab NMEA strings fine [17:42] oh and my idea bout the SHARED thing didn't work :D [17:44] alikins_ (~adrian@nat/redhat/x-pvpvyzfotnrjctbz) joined #highaltitude. [17:45] I think I can resolve the signals issues in wine [17:45] wine's serial port stuff is broken as far as I can tell [17:45] it's quite hard to get stderr output on winxp [17:46] very [17:46] but yeah, I found quite a nice solution in the end [17:46] how broken? I got some basic serial stuff working in wine once [17:46] it turns out that file descriptors are not enshrined in the kernel like they are on *nixes [17:46] and as far as I can tell they're entirely a user mode thing [17:47] so the windows syscalls that set baudrate etc work on a HANDLE [17:47] but you can _open_osfhandle to "turn" that HANDLE into a file descriptor [17:47] which you can then fdopen [17:47] and finally fscanf ;P [17:47] so, all in all, could have been much worse [17:47] still, I could do with sigaction() [17:48] be back later [17:58] timbobel (~timboebl@5ED040EE.cable.ziggo.nl) left irc: [17:58] <3 compiz [18:02] yay my gps has resurrected itself [18:03] :) [18:03] what happened to it? [18:03] I have no idea .. no lock all morning [18:04] hmm off [18:04] * odd [18:04] which gps? [18:04] fortuna [18:04] got it years ago [18:05] cool [18:05] compiz? [18:05] why does the altitude chart on spacenear.us look like it's bleeding? :P) [18:06] i was wondering that [18:06] DanielRichman: http://www.compiz.org [18:07] I know, but why suddenly <3? [18:07] heh I'm just playing with it [18:07] fsphil: I can see chase_dog :) [18:08] ruff! [18:09] DanielRichman, I've added a button to save the current gps position as the operator's home position -- think it would be useful? [18:10] interesting, sounds like it could be. Like in the current system, if they park up somewhere they could hit the button and the antenna icon moves [18:10] we plan to change that in habhub but yeah, could be useful :) [18:10] hmm perhaps a "stop thread" button would be useful [18:10] fsphil: are you using my latest master? [18:11] does the lat/lon display correctly? [18:11] pushed [18:11] yes! [18:11] awesome [18:11] I tested it a bit w. the gps that I finally got hooked up (to my windows partition) and it worked but I couldn't exactly go anywhere since it was tethered by a 5m USB cable to a large box [18:12] which in turn was tethered by an ethernet cable and a power cable :P [18:12] I'm heading out for a driving lesson in a few mins, might take a walk when I get back [18:13] OK [18:13] thank you for testing :) [18:18] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [18:22] pushed a Stop Thread button [18:25] sleeping.. working well [18:26] that's brilliant [18:27] how do you merge, without the merge appearing as a commit? [18:28] ack, brb [18:46] RocketBoy (~steverand@217.47.75.8) joined #highaltitude. [18:49] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:54] fsphil: you don't, merges should appear as commits [18:54] if it can merge without making a commit, e.g. no changes, it will do a fast forward [18:54] you can --no-ff to turn off fast forwarding and force a commit, though [18:54] (which you should) [18:54] merge commits preserve history [18:56] OK; I think that the gps fldigi code is beta-ready; though not at all release ready [18:57] thorirg (~tg@212-30-220-195.static.simnet.is) joined #highaltitude. [18:57] I'm on telly shortly (not HAB related) - BBC2 coast - a piece on the birth of RADAR [18:57] :o nice [18:57] does it appear on iplayer? [18:59] yes it will do - and HD later in the week methinks [19:02] hey RocketBoy got 5 mins for a quick PM ? [19:02] na not right now - in about an hour [19:03] no problems :) [19:04] natrium (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:06] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [19:07] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:11] Heyhey! Who's an dl-fldigi expert? :) [19:11] what kind of question do you have? [19:12] I'm launching next weekend and I'd like to use the upload function. [19:12] Do I need to sign up or something? [19:12] ah, excellent, I might be able to help :D [19:12] you don't need to sign up or anything, but we do need to know in advance your telemetry settings [19:12] and what format your data is in. [19:13] then we, or you, makes an XML file that contains that information and put it online, so that people running dl-fldigi see your payload as an option on the dropdown# [19:14] Ok, I see. [19:14] and what the rtty frequency, baud, parity/coding/stop bits settings are [19:16] Great, where can I get an example xml file to edit, since I don't know the format. [19:17] one of us will do the XML for you [19:17]