[00:00] I really should have the email notification script wait for like, a minute, then send context around the highlight [00:00] anyway bed [00:20] On the met office weather maps - is the pressure shown for sea level ? [00:20] Should be... [00:21] My pressure sensor is always about 8hPa below that shown by the met office [00:21] I guess it is due to the elevation (about 81m) [00:21] earthshine: what sensor? [00:22] SCP1000 [00:22] hmm ok [00:22] sound wrong? [00:22] is it pre-calibrated and you just read the digital value from the sensor? [00:23] yeah [00:23] using SPI [00:24] should be alright then, unless the calibration is off [00:24] its always 8mb below? [00:24] pretty much [00:24] interesting [00:24] i'm 81 metres above sea level [00:24] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye [00:24] got access to a "real" barometer? [00:24] Nope [00:25] I have a barometer in my Garmin GPS though [00:25] it is close [00:25] though no idea how accurate it is [00:26] I've not used that sensor so I don't know if they're normally accurate from their OEM calibration [00:27] they are supposed to be very accurate [00:27] you comparing to met office data? [00:27] yep - closest measurement station [00:27] have you tried BBC? [00:28] I know BBC data is ground-level [00:28] not sure if met office is - I assume it would be as getting pressure data for below ground level would be useless and difficult/impossible [00:30] better be off - night all [00:38] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: Quit: The cake is a lie ! [01:22] juxta (juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [02:00] TraumaPony (~TraumaPon@202.173.162.181) left irc: [03:57] darknesslord_ (~darknessl@189.164.175.116) joined #highaltitude. 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[09:43] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:58] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [10:48] m1x10 (m1x10@ppp089210073051.dsl.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. [10:48] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:55] hi, any link for WB8ELK pictures [10:55] ? [10:59] Second request for notam sent to the CAA, hoping this one is processed in time! [11:01] heh good luck [11:01] when for fsphil? [11:02] Last week of september .. just over the 28 days the caa require, so it's a bit iffy [11:03] ah right [11:04] have you tried phoning/ [11:04] ? [11:05] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) joined #highaltitude. [11:05] not yet [11:06] good idea though, I might phone them later today if I haven't got a reply [11:07] yeh you might as well [11:07] he's friendly enough [11:08] http://hexoc.com/hab/predict/predict/admin.php [11:08] hehe :) [11:11] cool! [11:11] A few of mine are in there [11:15] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host86-148-240-11.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:15] just lists the most recent predictions [11:15] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host86-148-240-11.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [11:15] for debugging and stuff [11:18] http://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor <-- is the latest version of the hourly predictor? [11:19] nope [11:19] http://github.com/rjw57/cusf-landing-prediction [11:19] is the hourly [11:19] ah thanks [11:26] no errors, woo [11:30] :) [11:37] is wgrib2 still necessary? [11:37] where is that info from? [11:37] http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/wiki/doku.php?id=prediction [11:38] oh that hasn't been updated in years [11:38] Action: jonsowman hides [11:38] but to answer your question - no [11:38] :p [11:38] just clone that repo and that's all you need [11:41] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-137-224-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:07] smelaum (~smealum@85-170-24-125.rev.numericable.fr) joined #highaltitude. [12:24] Nick change: smelaum -> smealum [12:53] m1x10 (m1x10@ppp089210073051.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Quit: I eat electrons for breakfast and I vomit thunders [13:02] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-137-224-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:08] Jasperw (~jasperw@skeleton2.london.iofc.org) joined #highaltitude. [13:16] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:17] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [13:21] m1x10 (m1x10@ppp089210073051.dsl.hol.gr) joined #highaltitude. 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[14:50] smelaum (~smealum@85-170-24-125.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:57] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@host86-148-240-11.range86-148.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] [15:07] juxta (juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude. [15:07] ping rharrison_ [15:11] Hualon (~Hualon@rrcs-24-199-154-50.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined #highaltitude. [15:12] smealum (~smealum@85-170-24-125.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:12] Yo! We had our first launch yesterday and it went pretty well. http://animoto.com/play/1tmgAR8C0UcwVHHho99biA [15:13] hi Hualon - congrats :) [15:13] where did you launch from? [15:15] juxta: North Carolina, USA (tracking link: http://bit.ly/ncnearspace-take2) [15:15] good work :) [15:15] Congrats. [15:16] do you have a writeup of the gear used somewhere? [15:16] excellent [15:16] did the spot work throughout the flight? [15:17] I used a spot on my first flight (as a backup), looks like you got better results than I did - the updates from mine were too infrequent [15:17] fsphil: mostly. We lost telemetry (estimating) around 65,000 ft. We got updates about every 10-15 minutes [15:17] juxta: it was handy to track it from the iPhone! [15:18] hehe [15:22] juxta: all we have is the discussion forum we started. http://techshoprdu.com/forum/9 [15:28] Hualon, congrats. Any technical details? [15:29] m1x10: we estimate about 90k feet, 3 hour travel time, just under 4lbs payload [15:33] Howdy [15:34] what about telemetry system? gps? kind of batteries? [15:34] Hualon, looks awesome! i meant to come out and watch but couldn't make it :) [15:35] philihp: Thanks! We had a BLAST. [15:35] any plans for another anytime soon? [15:35] earthshine: howdy! [15:36] m1x10: telemetry was a Spot GPS Personal Tracker. It has a cell-tower assisted GPS beacon mode that relays to the Internet every 10 minutes [15:36] YAY for off-the-shelf components! [15:36] cool, totally off the shelf? [15:41] philihp: for that launch, yes. The first (failed) launch had APRS which failed almost immediately [15:42] that sucks [15:44] do SPOT have a cell gadget? i have the version using Globalstar sattelitte [15:44] philihp: Yeah, we were really disappointed. Not sure what happened to the APRS system. [15:45] LA3QMA: I don't think they do. I misunderstood how it worked before. [15:45] we got what, one packet from the APRS setup? [15:45] ahh ok. have used it on a winter tent trip [15:45] no coverage of anything other than sattelitte [15:45] alikins: yeah, one or two APRS packets [15:46] alikins: what callsign? [15:47] hi LA3QMA [15:47] m1x10: :o) [15:47] hehe [15:47] alikins: We got 3 packets, none of which got igated. :-( [15:47] LA3QMA: We were using the callsign KB4TYE-11 [15:47] lovelace: Yo! Congratulations! [15:47] I'm totally stoked (as you can tell!) [15:48] Hualon: Thanks. :-) Did you see the pictures? [15:48] http://www.flickr.com/photos/clubjuggler/sets/72157624786512244/ [15:48] lovelace: Yeah! Did you see the montage? http://animoto.com/play/1tmgAR8C0UcwVHHho99biA [15:48] Hualon: I did. :-) [15:48] lovelace: I'm working on getting my Spot activated so we can go for launch 3! [15:48] Three is almost taunting. "I'm working. Here's another. And one more, sleep now." [15:48] lovelace: ok most likely the path and how often the beacons are going that "killed" it. or did the tracker stop xmitting? [15:49] LA3QMA: Unknown. It could have been a connection that came loose, or it could have been that the radio was over 30 years old (an Icom 2AT). [15:50] lovelace: 30 isn't so old! (Today's my 30th b-day! LOL) [15:50] That's why I wanted to write "Happy Birthday" on the balloon. LOL! [15:50] ahh ok. balloons always make a hot topic regarding what path to use and how often to send beacon hehe [15:50] Hualon: Congratulations! :-) [15:51] LA3QMA: Yeah, I debated about that. We set the path to WIDE2-2 and to beacon every minute. [15:51] lovelace: Thanks. BTW, I submitted the video, pics, and site to my friends at Make magazine. Hopefully we'll get a blog post about it. [15:51] lovelace: hehe thats an ok setting. it's the WIDE1-1 thats bad [15:51] i would use a switching profile depending on altitude etc [15:52] or just send one packedt with no path and one with WIDE2-2 [15:52] LA3QMA: Thought about that too, but decided to keep it simple. [15:52] simple is always better :o) [15:52] Need to figure out what to do for our next launch. Will probably look for an integrated tracker/radio [15:54] lovelace: Yeah, it would be sweet to have real-time info in addition to the Spot. I like the Spot but it makes me nervous for anything except final recovery [15:54] although it did perform remarkably well for tracking [15:55] Hualon: Indeed. I'm seriously thinking of getting one now too. How much was the one you got? [15:55] hehe does the spot work in high altitude?. do you have the new version? [15:55] LA3QMA: No, it stops above 60k (65k?) [15:55] lovelace: Oh, this one is for the group, you don't need to get one. I paid $40 used and $150 / year for service [15:55] LA3QMA: I have the original version and they report it stops at 60k [15:55] Hualon: Not bad. [15:56] lovelace: I'd really like to take it apart to see if we could make it work more frequently [15:56] BuffaloSouljah (alberto@173-19-94-251.client.mchsi.com) left #highaltitude. [15:56] even if we just hack a button pusher onto the "I'm here" button we could get more frequent updates [15:56] I suppose the simplest answer would be to use two of them [15:56] Hualon: ok i think thats the best version. but the new with better indicators and a "safety" on the 911 button is somewthing i want. but i think the new is not so good on battery and cold [15:57] Hualon: ha! I actually wondered yesterday if the internal GPSr could be replaced with a high altitude version. :-) [15:57] LA3QMA: the old one is heavier too [15:58] Hualon: yes buts that not an issue unless you are sending it up in a balloon ;o) [15:58] I'm amazed at this point that Spot doesn't mention "High Altitude Ballooning" on their list of activities and suggested uses! [15:58] it was -20 in the tent and it worked ok. my radio struggled with the display hehe [15:59] Action: Hualon just shivered a little... -20! [16:00] C or F? (not that it matters much .. still cold either way :) [16:00] hehe it's not bad. when you are skiing you only have a tshirt and some non isolated goretext jacket. -20'C you get warm when moving [16:01] fsphil: first one, then the other. ;-) [16:02] anyhow the spot is nice for the sequrity. but it's a nice gadget too for fun when doing other things [16:02] LA3QMA: With the spot in our 2nd balloon, we were able to get to the landing zone within minutes of it touching down. [16:03] It then too 4 hours to get it out of the tree where it landed (about 60-65 feet up!) [16:03] hehe [16:03] In a tree with poison ivy vines all over it. :-( [16:04] live to close to the sea so in a future balloon i'm going for a cheap tinytrack and a (n)evermore gps [16:04] Yeah, there's something to be said for cheap. [16:06] LA3QMA: tinytrack? [16:06] yes or opentracker APRS thing [16:06] you get them with xmitter too [16:07] juxta (juxta@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:08] nothing wrong with this picture: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1454779&l=ca95131268&id=742439106 [16:08] when you have view like this: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3518354&l=766207fb0e&id=742439106 [16:09] LA3QMA: YO! WOW! [16:10] this is bad: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1454741&l=b5ebecf36f&id=742439106 [16:10] we planed a 2-3day tent trip. but used 7 due to bad whiteout. bud had plenty of food... :o) [16:11] Hualon: TinyTrak is the tracker that JTrappe had in the pelican case. [16:11] LA3QMA: lots of cannibalism jokes, I hope. ;-) [16:11] Hualon: hehe [16:11] lovelace: Oh, I never saw that [16:11] opentracker is handling RF better than the tinytrack. [16:12] Hualon: He had it at the first meeting he went to. It was the AIO (all in one) version [16:12] buth both opentracker and tinytrack sometimes go in a lockup due to noice from the gps [16:12] LA3QMA: We were flying an opentracker on our balloon yesterday (OT1x, old....) [16:12] lovelace: Oh, yeah I had to leave that meeting early... [16:12] sbut i have to go. bbl c ya [16:13] LA3QMA: I'd love to get the special balloon version that Scott from OpenTracker has but the radio it uses is out of stock and there are problems with supply. :-( [16:16] lovelace: did you see the news reports on TV? I didn't see any of 'em [16:18] Hualon: I saw the WRAL one this morning and hopefully got an HD recording of it. [16:18] I have not seen the News14 one. [16:21] no way? they actually showed that? [16:25] alikins: hehe, why wouldn't they? I had several people mention that they saw me (in the background) [16:26] alikins: I heard that Chris got featured being interviewed on the News14 one. [16:26] cool [16:27] News14? [16:27] oh [16:32] wish I could of stuck around for the second flight [16:49] http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/08/23/1419233 -- "Why the World Is Running Out of Helium" [16:52] SpeedEvil: Local news station that came out to our balloon launch yesterday [16:52] I thought typo of news24 initially [16:52] which is BBC rolling news channel in UK. [16:52] Then I realised you're not UK [16:52] I think they dropped the 24 now [16:52] oh [16:53] SpeedEvil: It's a 24 hour news channel by the cable company in North Carolina and they carry it on channel 14. [16:53] Action: SpeedEvil wonders. Linda or Ava lovelace. [16:53] Action: lovelace considers ignoring SpeedEvil from now on [16:54] :) [16:54] Err [16:54] Ada [16:54] meh [16:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace - though it's hard to tell how much is after-the-fact spin. [16:55] jasonb (~jasonb@dsl092-009-225.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #highaltitude. [16:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lovelace [16:58] I was unaware of Richard. I still prefer Ada though. [16:59] Never got seriously into poetry. [16:59] haha [16:59] me neither [16:59] :) [17:03] And Lindas contribution to her field of endevour lead indirectly to the current reductio ad circenses. [17:53] rharrison_ (~rharrison@gateway.hgf.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] New iHAB-1 flightpath prediction is posted @ http://www.w0otm.com/iHAB. Looks like its moved further north closer to Sigourney, Iowa. Launch is still a go to 8/28 10AM CST. [18:56] smelaum (~smealum@82.243.132.64) joined #highaltitude. [18:58] Hualon (~Hualon@rrcs-24-199-154-50.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] [19:10] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-27-30-35.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:20] anyone around/ [19:23] is 'WIDE1-1, W0OTM-1' a valid path? [19:23] ping LA3QMA [19:42] SpikeUK (~chatzilla@host86-161-63-240.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:48] Hualon (~Hualon@wl-west2-pat.netcom.duke.edu) joined #highaltitude. [19:50] Jasperw (~jasperw@skeleton2.london.iofc.org) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:07] W0OTM: Good luck with your flight! [20:09] W0OTM: Nice pictures of your payload on your website. Out of curiosity, where did you get the container? [20:10] SpikeUK_ (~chatzilla@host109-153-238-206.range109-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [20:12] SpikeUK_ (~chatzilla@host109-153-238-206.range109-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:12] SpikeUK (~chatzilla@host86-161-63-240.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:25] Test [20:26] A+ [20:26] that seems to work. Oh well I'll ask here instread. I've setup an Arduino (328 chip) on a breadboard. I've burnt the bootloader works fine, I've programmed it in my arduino board works fine. [20:26] I've put it on the breadboard.. works fine :) [20:27] however when I try program it on the breadboard it doesn't program I get not in sync errors [20:27] but the serial is working ok [20:27] any ideas? [20:27] reset line hooked up to programming? [20:27] DTR through a capacitor to reset [20:27] I tried to press reset before programming didn't wokr [20:27] ok [20:28] so 100n on DTR [20:28] short wires, make sure you have a crystal on it and close by with correct decoupling caps [20:28] in series [20:28] and there is resisitor on RTS [20:28] capacitor in series between dtr and reset [20:29] ok let me have a play [20:42] lovelace: yes the Tracker2 is a nice product [20:43] W0OTM: is there a digi in the area with W0OTM-1 in the alias? if so then that path could be used but i don't see the point [20:47] yeah that works Randomskk cheers [20:48] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:48] np [20:52] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:54] natrium42 (~natrium42@129-97-120-227.uwaterloo.ca) joined #highaltitude. [20:58] BuffaloSouljah (~alberto@2002:ad13:5efb:0:20c:76ff:fefb:b0e2) joined #highaltitude. [21:01] Hualon (~Hualon@wl-west2-pat.netcom.duke.edu) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] [21:03] o/ [21:03] \o [21:03] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [21:03] world helium reserves are depleting [21:03] maybe we should all switch to hydrgen [21:04] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Client Quit [21:05] or hot air, right [21:05] how high can hot air balloons go? [21:05] there's methane though [21:06] I think the issue with hot air as well is that it's friggin cold [21:06] theoretically if the air is hotter than the surrounds it'l just go up [21:06] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [21:06] so it can go as high as anything, just so long as it remains hotter than it? [21:06] but like, it's -40 out [21:07] well yes, but you also need pressure to expand the envelope [21:07] if somebody could build a light balloon containing just vacuum... [21:08] Unless it's internally supported. [21:08] A vacuum balloon is barely doable with good CF [21:08] IIRc [21:08] that would be amusing [21:09] when does it stop going up? [21:10] or rather, does it burst? [21:10] I guess it obviously stops going up when the density differential is no longer sufficient to hold the weight of the thing up [21:10] but it seems like it'd float [21:11] bursting... depends on the structure of the envelope i guess [21:12] Nick change: smelaum -> smealum [21:12] seems like there'd be very little pressure difference at float altitude [21:12] why would it break? [21:12] if it requires the stress from the outside air to hold shape, then it would obviously fail [21:12] CF tends to be pretty rigid though [21:13] it wuld float. [21:13] SpeedEvil: ...forever? [21:13] At the same density of air as its average density. [21:13] Randomskk: pretty much. [21:13] Modulo leaks, and structural failure [21:13] I guess leaks would get you in the end, slowly [21:14] depends how well sealed you were against vacuum [21:14] I have plans for an aluminium balloon. [21:14] and the obvious eventual onset of entropy stopping you doing anything forever [21:14] Superpressure. [21:14] but it sounds like that would be fun [21:14] if you can get it to above the troposphere, it should be quite long-lived. [21:15] aaah, gotta run off [21:15] wave [21:15] Don't run with scissors. [21:16] lol [21:16] see ya [21:16] natrium42 (~natrium42@129-97-120-227.uwaterloo.ca) left irc: Quit: My other car is a cdr. [21:18] wonderchook (~wondercho@200.4.173.170) joined #highaltitude. [21:18] wonderchook (~wondercho@200.4.173.170) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:19] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:19] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [21:22] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-137-224-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [21:22] hi [21:22] evening [21:22] yo [21:23] Randomskk: does the seeedstudio cam file actually work? my drill file is misaligned [21:23] make sure your origin is actually at zero [21:23] it works fine for me [21:23] but your drills will be fucked up unless your shit starts at zero [21:23] there may be a tickbox on the cam file [21:23] let me send you mine [21:23] k [21:24] https://randomskk.net/u/Fusion_eagle_cam_v1.1.cam [21:24] see if that's any better [21:25] [STAR]Atanyi|HCs (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) joined #highaltitude. [21:27] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:27] I had to edit the seeed cam file and enable an option in the drill export to get it to work properly in gerbv [21:28] it worked [21:28] thats odd [21:28] maybe I edited that a while ago [21:28] there are various tick boxes and things [21:28] yeah i had to edit it a lot to make sense [21:28] I think it was the pos. Coord option [21:28] I selected different layers and things [21:28] hmm ill try to find the difference [21:28] too [21:28] ah right [21:28] but I think pos coord could be it [21:28] yeah i tried adding an offset, and it was just jumping around weirdly [21:29] obviously some sort of position format issue [21:30] i think if they are anything like batchpcb they put the gerbers through a script to remove any apertures with a dimension less than tyhe minimum fabbable [21:30] so i put the silkscreen through a little script to up the size of the really small apertures in the logo [21:31] BuffaloSouljah (~alberto@2002:ad13:5efb:0:20c:76ff:fefb:b0e2) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:31] seems to work ok, just a little blocky - the ink bleed will solve a bit of that, but i might use circles instead of rectangles for some stuff [21:32] the other layers dont have any apertures less than 6mil so the gerber generator must be pretty good at its job [21:32] gerbv ftw :P [21:33] gerbv is excellent [21:33] a part of me is tempted to try gEDA [21:33] or maybe kicad. one or the other [21:33] oh definately for my next project [21:33] the open source thing is a persuasive argument and they can clearly be used for decent things [21:33] Action: Randomskk has a legal full pro eagle license though [21:33] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-27-30-35.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] [21:33] (not that I paid for it) [21:33] yeah, now im more familiar with pcb fab [21:33] heh [21:34] (yay cadsoft sponsorship) [21:34] any thoughts kicad vs geda? [21:34] or warez site [21:34] not that i would dream of that [21:34] I said "legal" :P [21:34] ive done a bit of work with geda [21:35] couldnt really say tho [21:35] I tried both for a bit and found both annoying and hard to use [21:35] but then I probably found eagle annoying and hard to use once [21:35] yeah [21:36] interesting thing happened to me with batchpcb, had a board that passed drc in eagle but not of their site [21:36] their DRC is custom software [21:36] and oold. the guy who wrote it's made a better version but it's not quite finished yet [21:36] turned out the gerber had some small apertures that were removed by their code [21:36] but he's not employed at sfe any more [21:36] then as a result the drc on the new gerbers failed [21:36] ah, weird. [21:37] BuffaloSouljah (~alberto@2002:ad13:5efb:0:20c:76ff:fefb:b0e2) joined #highaltitude. [21:37] they remove small apertures on the copper and stop, and up the size of apertures on the silk iirc [21:37] but aiui the whole aperture thing is a massive old school carry over right? [21:37] yea [21:38] as noone uses 2 axis optoplotters [21:38] well apart from really small IC masks [21:38] using scanned excimer lasers [21:39] im not sure if they use a raster scanned uv laser to expose the board directly, or some more conventional printer type technique to make a mask for UV exposure [21:40] guess for high volume a mask makes sense... but for proto places [21:40] so evil mad scientist use gEDA [21:40] but their PCB routing is like http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1199/4727511688_2d683e3e5f.jpg [21:40] oh that decides it then [21:41] so? that looks ok [21:41] apart from lack of gnd plane [21:41] and through hole eww [21:42] but yes, they are my main motivation to look at gEDA [21:42] I'm a bit surprised there's no windows build for gEDA or Kicad though [21:42] i guess the issue with "organic" pcb routing is the gerber conversion, thats what i found with batchpcb [21:42] means actually sharing any of my schematics or board files is a non starter for people on windows [21:42] the CAM had issues using sensible apertures [21:42] the get all the weird shapes [21:42] oh, scratch that. kicad is cross platform [21:43] rjharrison (~rharrison@62.49.185.11) joined #highaltitude. [21:43] and the batchpcb drc code did not like the weird custom apertures in the gerbers [21:43] Evening all [21:43] hi [21:43] yo rjharrison [21:43] Going to continue updating hab hib [21:44] sorry about the lack of presence on here life has been busy [21:44] habhub even [21:44] whats that? [21:44] Action: Laurenceb doesnt even know :( [21:45] http://habhub.org [21:47] nice [21:50] whos Anthony Stirk? [21:50] upu [21:51] :0 [21:51] :) [21:52] so need a high res hab hub logo :( [21:53] <[STAR]Atanyi|HCs> me [21:53] <[STAR]Atanyi|HCs> oops [21:53] Nick change: [STAR]Atanyi|HCs -> Upu [21:53] nothing to see here [21:53] haha [21:59] I got the breadboard Arduino working JackNorris, was missing one capacitor (thx Randomskk) [21:59] good stuff [21:59] I have however now broken the radio part of the circuit but I'm knakcered will have another look at it tomorrow [22:01] The radio bit is overrated [22:03] BrokenTrace (BrokenTra@mail.hhtech.net) left #highaltitude. [22:06] hows the iphone tracker coming on ? [22:07] Laurenceb: I'm playing with kicad, it's non awful [22:08] good, still working with the UI [22:08] ill have a look [22:08] bbl [22:08] just use the small logo it will look fine on a 3 :) [22:09] I should do an android tracker [22:09] it'd be a good excuse to get into android dev [22:09] but I have a super duper high res iPhone 4 and its bugging me! :P [22:09] put some hires clouds in the back ground or something [22:19] Cool posted an icarus tring to the new tracker [22:19] I see hab hub has some info in has it been used or is that old data [22:19] ie has the client been updated: [22:20] I'm tempted to clean out the tracker if that's ok? [22:20] don't believe the client's been updated, might be testing data [22:20] Yep probably came across with natriums tracker db [22:21] I'll take a table dump just incase [22:24] There was crap in there I'v sorted it (well cleaned it out) [22:24] There is a bit of updating to do with the code now and some housekeeping [22:25] I'm hoping by the weekend the client can be updated to habhub [22:25] Is the tracker (natriums stuff in git?) [22:25] I'm going to roll the server to git when done [22:25] listener server that is [22:25] it can be easily put on git :P [22:26] Randomskk go fir it with the android app [22:26] I don't want eclipse and all that shit though. ewww java [22:26] however doing it in C is probably an exercise in pain [22:27] Yep [22:27]