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[01:41] yes [01:41] maybe [01:45] hey SpeedEvil [01:45] was going to ask how recovery went, but I see an email went out :( [01:54] ms7821 (~ms7821@flat.ms) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:04] ms7821 (~ms7821@flat.ms) joined #highaltitude. [02:18] jasonb (~jasonb@dsl092-009-225.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:30] simhed (~lonek@host86-186-104-141.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:04] juxta They gave up [03:05] DaveyC (~IceChat7@188-221-51-13.zone12.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese [06:27] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) joined #highaltitude. [06:41] juxta (fourtytwo@ppp203-122-193-94.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:52] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [07:46] morning [07:46] junderwood (~John@adsl.jcu.me.uk) joined #highaltitude. [07:48] jcoxon (~jcoxon@host86-161-48-136.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [07:51] morning all [07:55] good morning [07:55] hello [07:56] hey fsphil and junderwood [07:56] junderwood, sorry to hear about the payload, suffolk has quite a few footpaths etc so it might get found [07:56] Let's hope. [07:57] Meanwhile, time to think about the replacement [07:57] hehe [08:01] junderwood, did you say it landed nr stowmarket? [08:01] natrium (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:02] jcoxon, that's my conclusion based on the data we have [08:02] ms7821 (~ms7821@flat.ms) got netsplit. [08:02] ben_apex (~ben_apex@lister.hexoc.com) got netsplit. [08:02] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) got netsplit. [08:02] Tiger^ (tygrys@moo.pl) got netsplit. 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[09:32] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@host86-161-48-136.range86-161.btcentralplus.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, [09:45] Action: jcoxon is running a flight test of BH5 - using BH2 data - its going to take a long time... [10:00] DanielRichman (~DanielRic@unaffiliated/danielrichman) joined #highaltitude. [10:00] what are you changing for bh5? [10:02] Jasperw (~jasperw@93.89.81.29) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:05] ping junderwood [10:05] hello [10:05] hi I was wondering if the code for your payload is online somewhere [10:05] not at the moment. [10:06] ok [10:06] fsphil, well i'm trying to fix the issues we had last time [10:06] It's just four very simple tasks running under TNKernel [10:06] but also very aware that my code isn't always great [10:11] Jasperw (~jasperw@93.89.81.29) joined #highaltitude. [10:26] eroomde (~ed@88-202-206-61.rdns.as8401.net) joined #highaltitude. 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[12:07] Hi all [12:09] Have we had any news on the payload HelioSS [12:10] DanielRichman (~daniel@unaffiliated/danielrichman) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:10] no sign yet :( [12:10] junderwood, such a shame [12:10] Indeed. Probable cause of failure identified [12:10] Oh go on [12:11] LPC2214 SPI slave select is active even in master mode [12:11] you have to tie it to +3V3 to use the master functionality [12:11] If it is grounded, even temporarily, it puts the SPI into slave mode. [12:12] Hence the SPI task froze [12:12] Ahh do we have another board to play with [12:12] and locked out the GPS task [12:12] So the thinking is that it was pulled low [12:12] not the expansion board. Yet [12:13] So that's the GPS down but what about the temp sensors? [12:13] indeed. There was a resistor on an expansion board which did the pull-up. That could conceivably have shorted during final integration [12:13] SPI temperature sensors [12:13] Ahh 'nough said [12:14] Highest priority. Radio, SPI, GPS, flash LED. Lowest priority [12:14] May swap SPI and GPS next time! [12:14] and may implement software watchdog [12:14] software / hardware [12:15] It's very frustrating whan you have other involved in the launch. I had a very similar problem last friday due to a loose GPS connection. Thankfully the fall back to earth woke it up [12:17] junderwood, are you going to simulate the fault to test the theory? [12:23] junderwood, where there any pictures taken of the payload. It sounded most exciting! [12:24] Will certainly test it if I get the payload back. Any redesign is likely to have the offending component moved! [12:25] Will post some pics at some stage [12:25] Ok well comiserations and the best of luck with the next launch. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you get this one back! 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[17:53] mah [17:56] got the diamond 430-10el yagi today [17:56] happy me [18:02] :) [18:17] sweeet [18:17] nice little antenna [18:17] well, big [18:18] just ordered two of them for apex :) [18:18] two? you gonna stack them? [18:19] two chase vehicles [18:19] ahh [18:19] but I might try stacking them too :) [18:19] to be honest, it's good enough gain unless you're using mad baud rates like 1200 :) [18:19] yeh [18:19] well apex is testing higher baud rates [18:19] but not quite as high as 1200 [18:20] 300 works well [18:20] it will transmit each packet on 50 then 300 baud [18:22] on the desk here I managed 600 baud I think, 1200 just pushed it a bit too far [18:22] yeh [18:22] that was one of the aims of apex anyway [18:22] I'm tempted to try 600 in flight next time, like yourself alternate between them [18:22] to test bauds >50 [18:23] it would make my image transfer about the same speed as regular sstv [18:23] yeh we might get apex ii to do 600 [18:23] it's just a little more programming [18:23] though time is tight for its launch [18:23] when's the next flight? [18:23] provisionally 17th july [18:23] ah excellent [18:24] depending on several things [18:24] but hopefully [18:24] if we don't make that launch window we don't have another until sept [18:24] I must get setup here, see if I can decode the higher baud rate at distance [18:24] due to commitments etc [18:25] yep we'll be interested to see how decodeable 300 is at range [18:25] Someone here decoded my 300 baud signal, but they had a mental big yagi - 22 element + masthead amp [18:25] about 300km away [18:25] blimey [18:26] 22el [18:26] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] sorry, 2x 25el yagis [18:28] :o [18:29] hmm in need of a parachute [18:29] any recommendations? [18:30] I got one from Rocketboy, the biggest size - 20-something inch [18:30] well I'm getting one, hasn't arrived yet [18:30] at 432meg? [18:30] the sizing guide seems to suggest I need one about 1.5m diam! [18:31] yea I noticed that too, this one is likely too small but I could use the quicker decent because of the small land area I have to play with [18:31] yeh [18:32] i don't know of any other UK based parachute manufacturers/distrubutors [18:32] need to speak to Steve when he's around [18:32] I also got a 12" for the second flight, which won't have a big bulky camera [18:33] yes - if you find a bigger one let me know [18:33] although the 24" did pretty well last time, and it was a heavier payload [18:34] approx mass? [18:34] considering the balloon got tangled up with the cord [18:34] I'd estimate about 300g [18:35] it was two payloads + camera [18:35] right [18:35] only 300g for that [18:35] wow [18:35] well it's an estimate, and I'm bad with weights :p [18:35] haha okay, no worries [18:36] shall speak to Steve when he's about [18:36] or I may be able to borrow a CUSF one for this flight [18:36] the cirrus guys stripped apart their camera to save on weight [18:36] I'm not gonna be that fussy [18:36] yeh same [18:36] apex II is a heavy payload [18:37] we have Geiger-Muller tubes [18:37] how heavy do you expect it to be? [18:37] so those, their inverter circuits and power packs add a lot of mass [18:37] 1kg [18:37] maybe a bit more [18:37] + two cameras, one phone [18:38] that is pretty weighty! how big a balloon? [18:38] kci-1200 [18:38] yea you'll definitely need the big chute [18:38] yeh [18:38] we won't get massive altitude, but we knew that [18:38] that's not what we're after :) [18:39] muhaha [18:39] I'm hoping for some got altitude on the second flight [18:39] got = good [18:40] :) [18:54] Daniel_Richman (~daniel@unaffiliated/danielrichman) joined #highaltitude. [18:56] DanielRichman (~daniel@unaffiliated/danielrichman) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:01] Futurity (~Futurity@cpc7-cmbg15-2-0-cust14.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:01] hi [19:02] i [19:02] h [19:02] i was wondering how long the transmitter batteries were expected to last after touchdown [19:02] the Helios ones [19:02] and white aerial type they were using to try and find it? [19:03] it wouldn't be transmitting now for example? i.e. batteries now flat? [19:03] I vaguely recall that they went home after it had expected to be shutdown [19:04] i see [19:04] Lost scrollback though. [19:04] i thought i'd ask, as i have a 12 element yagi and live relatively near by [19:04] i wish i had thought of this on Wednesday :( [19:05] could have tried to rig up something mobile [19:06] that's if they didn't have a yagi with them of course, which i guess they would have [19:06] did they simply loose the signal completely on landing? [19:15] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:15] Futurity (~Futurity@cpc7-cmbg15-2-0-cust14.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Futurity [19:28] ContraSF (email@89.180.194.196) joined #highaltitude. [19:32] no they lost signal at 1500 they said yesterday [19:35] timbobel, not sure where we lost signal yesterday. Definitely low [19:35] I think we were about 10-15 miles away from the landing spot [19:36] I was hoping that since it has been spotted visually, that the parachute would be visible too [19:36] unfortunately not. But we had the same idea! [19:37] We ran out of time to look for it about 90 minutes after landing but we searched quite a big area during that time. [19:38] Unfortunately, I think it was a little to the east of where we were looking [19:38] current estimate is somewhere just south of Stowmarket [19:50] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:17] m0tek (~ed@88-202-206-61.rdns.as8401.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:20] jonsowman, yo [20:21] think he might be out for a minute [20:21] he texted me but 3 seconds ago [20:21] nvm will wait [20:21] perhaps not then [20:22] have you started work yet? [20:22] today [20:22] cool [20:22] how is it? [20:22] the work is excellent [20:22] at the moment just writing some c++ [20:22] but it's good stuff and a lot of liklihood it'l end up in things [20:22] big things [20:22] coolio [20:23] the getting to work is shocking on public transport [20:23] takes ages and costs loads [20:23] insured on car from midnight onwards, will be driving to work monday onwards [20:23] learn to drive! [20:23] cool [20:23] costs less than half (�6 vs �13/day) including insurance and petrol [20:23] and will probably take less than half the time too [20:24] so yea, can't wait to be driving in [20:26] heh, it really shouldn't be cheaper to drive. that's just wrong :) [20:26] I know right [20:26] I would take the public transport if it was cheaper and took a bit longer, or a bit more expensive but a bit quicker [20:27] but when it consists of two trains and a different bus company there vs back, and �13 a day for the pleasure of taking one to two hours depending on wait times (sitting at the bus stop for 40min today) [20:28] vs �6/day for the car and what will be a 26min drive according to google [20:29] m0tek: hello [20:30] sorry was afk [20:30] hi [20:30] i think any old rocketry shop [20:30] okay. i'd buy one from steve but the ones he stocks aren't large enough [20:30] we got ours from aeroconn systems but I suspect you need yours sooner than they could get it to you [20:31] yes, probably [20:32] right will have a search for some chutes [20:33] rockets and things is good [20:33] malcolm is friendly and knows us [20:34] lives in crwley too so you could pickup [20:34] excellent [20:34] thank you [20:37] their 42" or 54" will no doubt do fine [20:37] will give them a ring tomorrow [20:37] cheers :) [20:37] np [20:41] use spherachutes??? [20:44] they are nice, but again may take a while to arrive [20:44] and they're quite expensive [20:50] took me a week to arrive :). yeah a bit pricey, but it could be a good invest [20:52] simhed (~lonek@host86-180-28-241.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [20:55] rjharrison (~rharrison@62.49.185.11) joined #highaltitude. [20:55] yo m0tek [20:56] How's it going? [21:04] Action: timbobel wonders how to make the transmitter antenna on the balloon: what shape, size, etc? [21:11] timbobel: typical recommendation is a quarter wave whip with ground plane radials [21:12] that means a ~17cm length of wire hanging vertically, with four ~17cm lengths of stiff wire sticking out perpendicular to the wire and in a plane parallel to the ground [21:12] radio ground to the radials, radio signal to the driven in the middle [21:13] http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/4413273403/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/4414039114/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/4413270817/ [21:13] is the one jonsowman and I made [21:13] with jonsowman modelling one of the cusf yagis [21:16] that is best? [21:16] it is reliably easy to make, has a very useful radiation pattern for balloons, is small, cheap, can usually be bent back into shape after damage, etc [21:17] =) [21:17] we used straws to hold wires in place, the wires were just normal multi core wire [21:17] it's a good radiation pattern, and has been flown by ukhas probably 10 times more often than any other design [21:17] normal multi cored [21:17] sounds contradictive [21:17] or did we use single core [21:17] don't use straws, they can break [21:17] might have been single cored wire [21:17] just some random copper wire? [21:17] heat-shrink onto a stiff cable-tie or something [21:17] m0tek's sexy new design involves piping insulation and stuff [21:17] or that [21:18] m0tek: do we have photos of the sexy payload box [21:18] http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/4721971075/ [21:18] i used copper pipe insulation to supoort the active element [21:18] and heat-shrunk onto thick cable ties for the radials [21:19] nice [21:19] the idea being it must be stiff but not solid rods becauswe otherwise you'll take someone's eye out [21:20] the cable ties with heatshrink were bendy enough to not take eyes out? [21:20] yep pretty flexible [21:20] cool [21:20] but i think piano wire for the next payload [21:20] piano wire all round [21:21] with orange foam balls at the end of each of the wires [21:21] but yeah [21:21] RocketBoy (~Steve@217.47.75.8) joined #highaltitude. [21:21] does everyone do it this way? [21:21] you mean brass balls? [21:21] =) [21:21] the 5 wiredirections [21:22] most. there are other antenna designs: bazooka dipole, j-pole, slim-jim, big wheel [21:22] all should work [21:22] I can't tell if you mean piano wire because it'd be suitable for antennas or because it can slice things [21:22] but the 1/4 wave with groundplane accounts for a good 90% of payloads [21:22] what kind of wire then? [21:22] copper? [21:23] usually use copper with something to keep it straight as described above [21:23] y [21:23] the thinking with piano wire is that it's springy so wouldn't need to be kept to shape [21:24] http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/4721830907/ [21:24] oh yeah [21:24] and how do you mount the parachute?> [21:24] nova18 launch - ours is the top payload [21:24] see that video [21:24] we mounted it inline [21:25] just tie it somewhere inline..? [21:25] how did the android go? [21:25] well [21:25] yep, usually such that if the balloon remnants fall back down, they won't interfere with the payload [21:26] so maybe 2/3 of the way between payload and balloon [21:26] but it doesn't really matter [21:28] yeah ok [21:28] and ehm... tieing the balloon? tie wraps? [21:29] usually tie wrap the neck in2 places, then fold the neck back on itself to make a loop [21:29] tie the string into the look [21:29] then tie-wrap the loop in several places [21:30] then duct-tape it up for good measure [21:30] bbl [21:32] is the typical polystyrene used in packaging any good for insulation? [21:32] i think it is, you have to seal it though somehow [21:37] hey m0tek here is the stuff from last friday http://infinity2010.weebly.com/ [21:37] Hey RocketBoy how is the balloon situation? [21:39] they got some very nice pics [21:39] Canon A560? [21:40] n/m, found the specs bit [21:41] anyone have an eagle file of the NTX2? [21:42] rjharrison (~rharrison@62.49.185.11) left irc: [21:43] anyone have bad experiences with CHDK>? [22:02] timbobel, yes w/r/t chdk [22:14] ok so no probs :) [22:15] yeah, no problems. just *good* experiences [22:17] and! Who has the NTX2 EAGLE files! [22:24] timbobel (~timboebl@212-127-200-229.cable.quicknet.nl) left irc: [22:28] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:28] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [22:34] Daniel_Richman (~daniel@unaffiliated/danielrichman) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:55] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:57] london is so much fun... there's this guy who has a flat on the other side of my garden [22:57] not far, maybe 30 meters [22:57] my desk is next to the window, i am almost outside and clearly visible [22:58] he doesn't seem to be bothered, doing some girl... and she's not bothered either [22:58] it's really loud [22:58] in-my-face [22:58] maybe i should hide my yagi..? [22:59] :{ [22:59] no [22:59] point it at them [22:59] it is actually [22:59] are you holding it though [22:59] i'm picking lot of YHMS and AHMS [22:59] I bet you are [23:00] :-s [23:00] bonus points if you have a motorised telescope you could point at them [23:01] "oh god have mercy" ? [23:02] good one [23:07] could be worse [23:10] no worries, helps me focus actually.. i made some really quick and accurate insertions of cables into my breadboard [23:10] ... [23:10] :( [23:10] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [23:10] no matter how weird it may sound [23:13] junderwood (~John@adsl.jcu.me.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:27] stilldavid (~dave@68-64-214-18.static.forethought.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:32] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) left irc: [23:37] DaveyC (~IceChat7@188-221-51-13.zone12.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Pull the pin and count to what? [23:51] RocketBoy (~Steve@217.47.75.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:00] --- Fri Jul 2 2010