[00:00] yeah, we can play with that [00:00] requires me to work out remote control of the radio [00:00] not sure I have the required cables [00:00] probably don't [00:00] probably can order them with fast delivery though [00:00] actually, that said, what time is the launch on saturday? any idea? [00:00] do you have a usb to serial converter? [00:00] several [00:00] the cable is very easy to make [00:01] my mother is coming up about 9 to about 2 and will be able to bring the cables the radio came with, including its accessory cable deal [00:01] otoh if the launch is before that going to EARS could be tricky [00:01] though it would be easy to just fob her off into town and go to EARS instead :P [00:05] Laurenceb_ (~laurence@host86-141-239-7.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:07] Randomskk, just short Tx and Rx and connec them to ring of 3.5 audio connector [00:07] then connect the grounds [00:07] that's it [00:07] that seems pretty straightforward [00:08] indeed :) [00:08] would need to nextday some 3.5 jacks, didnm't bring any up and can't afford to cut up any of the ones I have [00:08] not a big deal [00:08] what does it plug into on the radio? [00:08] i think you can use a plug [00:08] the radio has a jack [00:08] one of the four at the back? [00:08] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:08] so just cut cable of old headphones [00:09] like I said, haven't brought any up with me [00:09] i think so [00:09] can get some plugs nextday'd easily though [00:09] don't even need next day really, not yet [00:09] but okay, so a usb-serial, a 3.5mm plug, job done? [00:09] plus the 3.5mm audio for radio to laptop [00:09] sounds good [00:09] yeah [00:09] and then setting up X forwarding somehow or other [00:09] right [00:12] hmm, i am using that DIN connector that was supplied with the radio to connect the audio [00:12] I am using the headphone jack on the front panel :P [00:13] but I can get the DIN connector brought up in time for saturday [00:13] ok, headphone jack should work too [00:13] it's just volume controlled :P [00:13] I don't have computer-controlled TX or PTT though [00:13] should be needed for our purposes [00:14] take it you mean shouldn't [00:14] right [00:14] my typing is teh sux [00:15] I am typing with over a second of latency between keypress and it showing up :P [00:15] it is the most painful thing [00:15] haha [00:16] this is the problem with 10MB/s internet combined with 6GB/10day allownacnes [00:16] it takes very little time to exceed it by accident [00:17] never again: I now have a router between me and the internet which will throttle me before I hit it, hurrah [00:17] but I have to live with it for ten days :P [00:17] ouch [00:17] did email IT to ask if they could do anything about the latency and they seem mostly friendly but no response [00:17] will probably email again [00:19] Im off thanks guys! 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[17:54] GeekShado_ (~Antoine@67.179.204-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:18] N900evil (~Speedevil@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude. [18:46] Xenion (~robert@p579FCF77.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude. [18:47] jasonb (~jasonb@dsl027-180-244.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #highaltitude. [18:50] evening [18:54] hey MikeMc68 [18:56] hey [19:00] icez (~icez@unaffiliated/icez) joined #highaltitude. [19:19] Twiner (~blah@81.191.131.67) left irc: Quit: Ooh, what does that button do? [19:32] oh wow [19:33] if we can keep BH4 floating over night: [19:33] http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo4#launch_plans [19:33] ! [19:36] G8DSU (~chatzilla@cpc3-mort4-0-0-cust192.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:38] hi G8DSU [19:41] Action: jcoxon is on the hunt for radio operators in S England :-p [19:43] jcoxon: what time are you tihnking of launching? [19:44] oh, I see [19:44] 1500 cool [19:46] yeah need it to be at altitude by sunset to float :-) [19:46] RocketBoy (~steve@217.47.75.8) joined #highaltitude. [19:49] hi jcoxon - Touch and go whether I'll be in a position to monitor the flight but hope to [19:50] G8DSU, :-) [19:50] well its going to be a long flight so any decoded strings will be great [19:51] Twiner (~blah@81.191.131.67) joined #highaltitude. [19:52] of course if the ballast tanks do actually work then the flight might be slightly shorter [19:52] will continue to search for more operators [19:53] darknesslord_ (~darknessl@187.146.31.164) joined #highaltitude. [19:55] Incidentally, any ideas on tracking a possible TA flight? HF? Spot? amateur satellite? [19:55] G8DSU, yeah it'll be HF (40m) and Spot [19:56] RocketBoy has been working on the HF radio - is coming together well [19:56] Better get some 40m capability sorted then... [19:56] hehe [19:57] DanielRichman, at some point could you ping AlexBreton for me - though its no hurry [19:58] jcoxon, have sent him a message; though he's offline currently [19:58] no worries [19:59] was going to ask if he could do some french homework :-p and translate a guide to tracking a balloon (well an abridged version) [19:59] right food time, bbl [19:59] AlexBreton (~Alexander@client-86-25-182-47.bkl-bng-012.adsl.virginmedia.net) joined #highaltitude. [19:59] hey AlexBreton, that was quick [19:59] jcoxon: someone called me? [19:59] me [19:59] what's up? [20:00] Endeavour (~Endeavour@r74-192-221-200.bcstcmta02.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:13] AlexBreton, is your watch auto winding? [20:13] sbasuita: yes [20:13] ftw [20:13] AlexBreton, mechanical right? [20:14] AlexBreton, how accurate? [20:14] sbasuita: depends. My swatch is shit, but the Breitling keeps good time [20:14] 10x more expensive tho [20:14] AlexBreton, how shit? [20:14] + or - 20 seconds a day [20:14] usually + [20:14] ouch [20:14] the breitling is less than 5 seconds a day which isn't noticeable [20:15] =/ [20:15] the badass COSC ones are stupidly accurate [20:15] chrono to 1/100th of a second on a mechanical watch [20:15] but they cost bare money [20:16] AlexBreton, how long does the battery/capacitor last on an automatic quartz? [20:16] no idea, quite long [20:16] the spring on a mechanical watch typically lasts 48 hours on full wind [20:17] afaik those auto quartz are pretty good [20:20] GeekShado_ (~Antoine@104.150.204-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined #highaltitude. [20:22] GeekShadow (~Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:27] !ping edmoor [20:27] !ping edmoore [20:39] AlexBreton, http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/59/ppc89.htm [20:39] I jizzed myself [20:39] holy cow [20:41] sbasuita: for good cheap mechanical watch go ebay and go soviet [20:41] AlexBreton, ehehe [20:41] you can get military surplus ones [20:41] that are really well built [20:41] double up as weapons [20:43] AlexBreton, what, knuckle-duster style? :P [20:43] ya [20:43] really chunky things [20:43] think 4cm wide 1cm thick [20:57] AlexBreton, lmao scroll down to the paperwork for the "NO RADIATION" stamp xD http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOVIET-MILITARY-DIVING-GILT-WATCH-700m-WATER-RESISTANT_W0QQitemZ250572816392QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL?hash=item3a574dc008 [20:58] sbasuita: those are fakes. The real military surplus ones are plain on the back [20:58] AlexBreton, yeah but its RADIATION FREE [20:58] Antimagnetic is nice [20:59] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOSTOK-KOMANDIRSKIE-ZAKAZ-MO-SOVIET-WATCH-STOP-SECOND_W0QQitemZ110489894279QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL?hash=item19b9b5fd87 [20:59] this one is great [20:59] I'm tempted [21:01] AlexBreton, nah man its horrible [21:01] not bling enough? [21:01] AlexBreton, no just not very nice ;) [21:01] I had a great one [21:01] it was a pocket watch [21:02] with LCD screen\ [21:02] AlexBreton, lcd screen!? [21:02] AlexBreton, did it run Mac OSX? [21:02] DanielRichman: t'was soviet, so no [21:02] but ye shit you not LCD screen [21:02] does it run linux? [21:02] AlexBreton, isn't there some Russian linux distroy [21:02] AlexBreton, pics or it didn't happen [21:02] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POCKET-ELEKTRONIKA-5-VINTAGE-SOVIET-RUSSIAN-WATCH-RARE_W0QQitemZ110453118780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL?hash=item19b784d73c [21:02] DanielRichman, ofc [21:02] *distro [21:03] AlexBreton, what the actual hell is that [21:03] sbasuita: soviet wtf [21:03] I want one [21:03] it's so anachronistic [21:03] LCD screen on a pocket watch [21:04] AlexBreton, yeah but not that one [21:04] sbasuita, just get a pocket nixie tube watch, also doubles as a fusion reactor [21:10] DanielRichman (~DanielRic@unaffiliated/danielrichman) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:14] Guys - How do I find out the sensitivity of an AOR-8200 compared to a Yaesu FT-790R ? [21:15] the usually have datasheets [21:15] with a measure of sensitivity [21:17] yeah normally quoted as a sensitivity for a given signal to noise ratio or SINAD e.g. -108dBm for 12dB SINAD [21:17] or e.g. 0.3uV [21:18] thanks [21:19] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude. [21:19] edmoore (~ed@chu-gw-a.churchillcambridge.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [21:19] jcoxon: check email [21:20] mid-email writing - will do in a sec! [21:20] o/ [21:20] swilly (~swilly@adsl-226-199-167.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined #highaltitude. [21:23] edmoore, downloading [21:23] cool [21:23] though don't have cam internet so may take some time [21:24] edmoore, are you going to be at the launch? [21:24] maybe [21:24] Do you think I would pick anything up from Cheshire if I used a Yagi ? [21:24] the churchill sp[ring ball is on friday night [21:24] oh natrium42 i reckon i can re-rig my ft790 to be internet controlled [21:25] unlimited champagne and food from 8pm to 4am [21:25] so... i may not be at my operational peak o saturday [21:25] cool, i think Randomskk also plans to rig up his too [21:25] MikeMc68: easy [21:25] edmoore, pfft [21:25] MikeMc68: well i guess it depends on the direction [21:26] but yes, f you have line of sight on it, which you should easily, it should be fine [21:26] jcoxon: wat helium plans have you? [21:26] MikeMc68, latest forecast: http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo4#launch_plans [21:26] edmoore, steve has some [21:26] cool [21:27] OK well if you think I can receive a signal from Cheshire I will give it a go. [21:27] jcoxon: barcelona! [21:27] yeah... [21:27] MikeMc68: i would have thought so [21:28] so doug ellison last time got it from leicester to LeMans with his yagi [21:28] 400km [21:28] wow [21:29] basically we've learnt that with a tiny bit of repositioning you can pick up the signal a very long way away [21:29] so it's definitely worth setting the yagi up! [21:30] OK i'll take all of my gear with me and see what i can get [21:30] that said kent would be better :-p [21:30] Well i am going to be in Cheshire this weekend i'm afraid - family birthday party [21:30] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:30] jcoxon: your backup beacon - i see from the code it isn't transmitting a position [21:31] so how will it be utilised? Triangulation? [21:31] MikeMc68, yeah - its just a backup beacon [21:31] though might stick a temp sensor on it if i have time on friday [21:31] is it transmitting all the time? [21:32] mmh, beacon [21:32] edmoore, is your IC7000 computer controlled? [21:32] it can be [21:32] MikeMc68, no on and off [21:32] we interfaced and arduino to it to do uplinks [21:32] won't it interfere with the RTTY transmitter? [21:32] neat [21:34] yay the motor spins [21:34] :D [21:34] MikeMc68, they differ in freq a bit [21:34] but there is a chance that they'll overlap [21:35] the beacon will get colder though so should drift down [21:35] Randomskk, so you have the rpm too? [21:36] well no it's still just a constant-time commutation between steps [21:36] very basic code [21:36] but it works [21:36] motor spins albeit very steppily [21:36] gotcha [21:38] next, BEMF detection so it can commutate just right [21:38] then get it up to significant speeds [21:40] edmoore, haha! [21:40] hrm, is all I can say [21:40] this is brilliant [21:48] yay for space teddies \o/ [21:50] AlexBreton (~Alexander@client-86-25-182-47.bkl-bng-012.adsl.virginmedia.net) left irc: Quit: AlexBreton [21:54] it's quite japanese isn't it [21:55] yeah [21:55] have you had it translated? [21:56] edmoore, are you on twitter? [21:56] nope [21:56] to both [21:56] need to find a japanese person [21:56] iv'e got a good school friend who is japanese [21:56] could get him to have a look if you wanted [21:57] yeah why not [21:59] what are you translating? [22:01] what are you all looking at ? [22:02] me and MikeMc68 want to be cool too :( [22:02] oh we aint cool [22:02] you guys are the cool ones :-) [22:02] any coolness i had is now forever gone [22:03] thats very true ;-) [22:10] GeekShado_ (~Antoine@104.150.204-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Quit: The cake is a lie ! 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