[00:00] time has flown [00:00] i should be in bed [00:00] hehe [00:00] geting up early [00:00] oh right [00:01] what for? [00:02] iridium flare [00:02] oh right [00:02] 2 mins for this os x binary? [00:03] no compiling required [00:03] ok [00:03] http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/downloads/list [00:04] seems to run [00:04] great [00:04] whats teh plan for tomorrow? [00:06] not sure what time i'm turning up [00:06] will text steve in the morning [00:06] fair enough [00:06] i'll leave the icom running [00:06] any computer control? [00:07] can i vnc to tune it? [00:07] i will probs ge a human to do it [00:07] fair enough [00:07] cool cool [00:08] right i'm off [00:08] night [00:08] c u [00:08] jcoxon (n=jcoxon@host86-163-199-83.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:14] GeekShadow (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) left irc: "The cake is a lie !" [00:17] Laurenceb (n=laurence@host86-152-36-189.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [00:17] hi [00:18] SpeedEvil: have you considered steam engine style injectors for rocket motors? [00:21] Laurenceb: what do you mean [00:21] the injectors used on steam engine boilers [00:22] no - I suspect they'd be too large - cast iron is heavy too [00:23] not the actual injectors :P [00:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_injector [00:26] Laurenceb: I don't see how that helps [00:26] no moving parts, nice and simple [00:26] err [00:26] unfortunately stopping it from melting could be hard [00:26] s/steam/gas from combustion chamber [00:26] you mean you have a high pressure oxidant stream, and a low pressure fuel? [00:27] and try to entrain teh fuel in the oxidant stream? [00:27] I'm not sure yet... [00:27] the principle is interesting, just wondering if it could be applied to rockets [00:27] for biprop, the injectors need to be complex [00:27] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Boiler_Feed_Injector_Diagram.svg [00:28] basically you need to form two sets of sprays that intersect at acute angles formed of the different propellants [00:28] yes [00:29] especially in small engines [00:30] edmoore (n=ed@pomegranate.chu.cam.ac.uk) left irc: [00:30] the desire to get a nice fine spray means you need high energy/volume in the spray production process [00:30] which means a decent pressure drop across the nozzle [00:30] yeah [00:30] This is less important if you've got a big engine - but for small ones it's critical [00:57] s/engine/combustion chamber/ [01:11] mib_ob5q9c (i=568f5528@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd0f91c9c01f9c9d) joined #highaltitude. [01:11] mib_ob5q9c (i=568f5528@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd0f91c9c01f9c9d) left irc: Client Quit [01:44] cya [01:44] Laurenceb (n=laurence@host86-152-36-189.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "The day microsoft make something that doesnt suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner" [01:47] Nick change: KingJ -> kingj [01:56] do you guys have a link to the project where the group attached a model aircraft to a weather balloon ? [01:58] laurenceb - who just left - did it with a rollago [02:12] sbasuita_ (n=sbasuita@unaffiliated/drebellion) joined #highaltitude. [02:28] sbasuita (n=sbasuita@unaffiliated/drebellion) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:57] they launch the aircraft from the balloon? [02:57] yes [02:57] he did [02:58] awesome [02:58] it had control issues - he's relaunching sometime soon [02:58] cool [06:13] Simon-MPFH (n=simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [06:36] Simon-MPFH (n=simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [08:00] mib_5mz99g (i=44b909ab@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be9e9b9693a324fa) joined #highaltitude. [08:18] edmoore (n=ed@pomegranate.chu.cam.ac.uk) joined #highaltitude. [08:19] jcoxon (n=jcoxon@host86-163-199-83.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:20] morning all [08:27] mib_5mz99g (i=44b909ab@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be9e9b9693a324fa) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:48] morning jc [08:48] jcoxon, even [08:48] hey edmoore [08:48] how was the flare? [08:48] sod that for a bunch of bananas [08:49] just wasn't happening at 4.12am [08:49] hehe [08:49] shame though, it was mag -8 [08:49] would have probably dazzled me and lost my night vision [08:51] oh there is a new copy of the client [08:52] oh? [08:53] it remembers which payload you selected to track [08:54] seems to work [08:54] how can i actually set it up to upload with my details? [08:55] in the operator tab [08:56] what's the link to rob's site to check it's working? [08:57] http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php [08:57] you need to fill in your callsign before it'll send an update [08:59] have done [08:59] not much going on [09:00] hmmm [09:00] could you reopen it [09:01] it only sends updates every 15 mins [09:01] i assume unless it's actually got data to send? [09:02] yes [09:02] well there are 2 forms of data [09:02] the status update that you are running the client - every 15mins [09:02] and then the actually data [09:02] have re-opened [09:03] does the python client still work? [09:03] no [09:03] edmoore, this will take 1 min [09:03] go into to terminal and open it from there [09:03] it'll dump a load of debug data [09:04] the python client 'should' still work [09:04] though it really hasn't been tested in weeks [09:05] no debug info [09:06] oh [09:06] thats really odd [09:06] did you cd into the app and find the actual binary? [09:08] no [09:08] fldigi-3.11.4.app/Contents/MacOS [09:09] e.g. /Volumes/fldigi-3.11.4/fldigi-3.11.4.app/Contents/MacOS [09:11] yep yep did it [09:11] entered the details [09:11] 2 minutes ago [09:12] sorry [09:12] and still no output? [09:12] not on rob's site [09:12] in the terminal itself? [09:13] 1243152789 [09:13] anything like: [09:13] Send status update [09:13] 2009-05-24 09:06:14 [09:13] CHILD: received "string=ZZ,M6JCX,2009-05-24 09:06:14,51.498,-0.0529,FT817,MOXON&identity=M6JCX" [09:13] 0 [09:14] no [09:14] this is really sad [09:14] it doesn't work :-( ! [09:15] location of latest python client? [09:16] http://spacenear.us/wiki/doku.php?id=dlistening:client:dlclient7.py [09:16] though i'm not sure it'll work [09:16] ok. well we might have to be deaf today then from cambridge [09:16] okay [09:17] i'm thinking its a curl issue [09:18] edmoore, could i ssh into your laptop and compile the code? [09:20] http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php [09:20] oooo python? [09:20] yes [09:20] excelent [09:20] it works, let's not f with it. it's flight day. [09:21] i'm not sure if it'll be happy with steve's telem string [09:21] its a little unusual [09:21] i might just take it with me [09:21] where are you? [09:21] london [09:21] i'm not coming down [09:21] no suffolk listening? [09:21] injured my back a few days [09:22] ago [09:23] is there anything listening in soffolk? [09:24] no [09:24] we are best placed this flight [09:24] we = ? [09:24] the group [09:24] we aren't* [09:24] agreed [09:24] my typing is awful today [09:26] we need to find someone in yarmouth/lowestoft [09:26] to complete the coverage [09:26] right, i am going to go and sort myself out. If you have 2 mins, a worthshile thing might be double checking that the client can deal with steve's telem string [09:26] will do [09:26] i will be back in about 8 mins [09:26] that's about the last chance i'll have to faff with this [09:30] on another note, not that i am a conspiracy theorist, but I note that we've never actually seen natrium42 and roger federer in the same room... [09:35] edmoore, now i'm confused! [09:37] edmoore, the client should work [09:37] it worked on the wav file i have [09:38] its too late anyway to change anything [09:45] ok cool [09:50] edmoore (n=ed@pomegranate.chu.cam.ac.uk) left irc: [09:53] Futurity (n=Futurity@cpc1-cmbg15-2-0-cust43.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:54] moning [09:58] hey Futurity [10:08] g1zvn (n=zsirc@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:08] ping edmoore [10:09] jcoxon are you in the yahoo ballooning list? [10:09] yes [10:09] Nick change: g1zvn -> mc_ [10:10] edmoore might be interested in the rockoon post [10:10] yes an intereting thread [10:11] it might not be legal in the usa [10:11] the replies are a little negative [10:13] if its legal here that would be great [10:17] Nick change: sbasuita_ -> sbasuita [10:19] it would be good to do a few small rockoon launches to set a precedent [10:19] jcoxon, can you ask b brown to forward his email on rockoons [10:21] edmoore (n=ed@pomegranate.chu.cam.ac.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:23] hi everyone [10:23] edmoore (n=ed@pomegranate.chu.cam.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:23] hey Futurity [10:23] hi [10:24] Just been speaking to Robert on the phone [10:24] oh cool [10:24] he'll be at the launch for around 11am he thinks [10:24] right [10:24] i've got the kids right now [10:24] http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/ [10:24] that is where he is [10:24] and Robert needs to ask Steve first if he'd mind them being there (which is understandable) [10:25] yup steve is sometimes hard to catch [10:25] if i can go [10:25] then i'll take my telescope and try and optically track it [10:25] well i'd rather Steve was happy [10:25] it's his launch [10:26] great racker Robert has [10:26] btw should i be using real names here or irc names? [10:27] we mainly use irc names [10:27] o [10:27] i'll get used to it soon i'm sure [10:27] :-) [10:28] it turns out that my transceiver does support AM as well as FM (It appears to have been hacked) [10:28] but unfortunately only FM for the 430MHz band :( [10:28] but not SSB [10:29] it's a real shame [10:29] i take it that within a band, you can transmit in any format you choose [10:29] i mean at that low power [10:29] 10mW or less [10:29] yes [10:30] shame i can't help out on software [10:30] but hopefully another pair of hands will help [10:30] yup [10:30] off to test my transceiver further and get the telescope prepared [10:31] ttfn [10:31] mc_ (n=zsirc@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:35] edmoore (n=ed@pomegranate.chu.cam.ac.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:45] g1zvn (n=zsirc@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:45] g1zvn (n=zsirc@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [10:46] g1zvn (n=zsirc@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [10:47] edmoore, did you see the yahoo ballooning list chat? [10:47] Nick change: g1zvn -> mc_ [10:54] icez (n=icez@unaffiliated/icez) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] Futurity (n=Futurity@cpc1-cmbg15-2-0-cust43.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [11:23] jcoxon,is zeusbot alive? [11:24] yup [11:24] oh [11:24] perhaps not [11:25] let me check [11:27] fixed [11:38] Nick change: kingj -> KingJ [11:44] mc_ (n=zsirc@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] rharrison_eee (n=rharriso@212.183.134.128) joined #highaltitude. [11:50] Hi all [11:51] at least another hour [11:51] hey rob [11:51] oh, not going well? [11:52] Just slow you know what it's like [11:52] This is the most complex pay load I have seen to date [11:52] oh cool [11:52] well i'm ready [12:00] Ok will shout ar the 30 min mark [12:01] we havent even got the gas out yet [12:05] fair enough [12:06] Nice day though [12:07] :-) [12:08] stuck indoors [12:08] got my antenna higher then usual, so should be able to pick stuff up [12:11] Simon-MPFH (n=simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [12:16] col [12:16] cool [12:17] Neil has just arrived [12:28] how are the DL clients [12:32] Hiena (n=Hiena@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude. [12:35] james can u flush the data [12:35] on my site [12:35] yup [12:35] one se [12:36] done [12:44] Ok data should be comming through [12:45] mib_0iwu0f (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be94ba49437fa39d) joined #highaltitude. [12:46] it take it, that the launch hasn't taken place yet? [12:47] mib_0iwu0f (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be94ba49437fa39d) left irc: Client Quit [12:47] oops [12:47] missed mib_0iwu)f [12:48] cudddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7806d1262011510d) joined #highaltitude. [12:48] cudddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7806d1262011510d) left irc: Client Quit [12:50] GeekShadow (n=Antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) joined #highaltitude. [12:50] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6a94e0f0be214107) joined #highaltitude. [12:50] hey all [12:50] hi [12:51] I guess the launch hasn't taken place yet? [12:51] not yet [12:51] soon [12:52] exciting now! [12:54] cuddykid, you coming through spacenear.us? [12:54] yes [12:54] cool [12:56] it'll probably be 30mins or so [12:56] ok, i'll have a break and tune in in a few mins! [12:56] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6a94e0f0be214107) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [12:58] jatkins (n=jatkins@79-76-102-63.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #highaltitude. [12:59] hey jatkins [13:00] hi [13:00] launch today? [13:00] launch soon [13:00] yup [13:00] cool [13:00] http://spacenear.us/tracker/ [13:00] rjharrison's payload? [13:00] payloads online [13:00] no steves [13:00] cool [13:00] i got at commands working w/ hyperterminal [13:01] i just had the wrong baud rate (it uses 19200 bps) [13:01] i'm not sure how to connect it to my mcu though [13:01] Another hour [13:01] do i need to use a max232? [13:02] or 3232 [13:03] jatkins, ummm depends [13:03] whats your phone? [13:03] nokia 6210 [13:04] it uses a dlr-3p cable [13:04] most phones are ttl voltage [13:04] so can go with mcus [13:04] it has 2.7v vcc [13:04] you'll need to reduce your arduino voltage a litt [13:04] cable ->> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Elekratek-Nokia-Serial-Cable-DAT_N51/dp/B000K2U22E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1243166679&sr=8-2 [13:04] as in a small voltage divider to reduce it [13:05] yeah [13:05] i tried that before [13:05] but I think you have to go through the db-9 [13:05] which is rs-232 level [13:05] no no [13:05] becuase there's a pic inside which converts to at commands [13:05] otherwise it's fbus [13:05] really? [13:05] yeah [13:05] that is a new approach [13:05] oh [13:06] most of the time those cables just change the voltage [13:06] i tried bypassing the db-9 converter (there'sa pic inside it ) [13:06] you sure its a pic? [13:06] i thinkso [13:06] have you done at commands w/a phone that uses a dlr-3? [13:06] it's the same for 6310 [13:07] yeah, it's a pic: http://www.atrox.at/datacable/dlr3/index.html [13:08] Laurenceb (n=laurence@host86-152-36-189.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [13:08] hmmm thats not a 'real' dlr3 cable [13:08] hi folks [13:08] ok [13:08] hi [13:08] any launches coming up? [13:08] Laurenceb, yes today [13:08] jatkins, i'm not so sure [13:08] jcoxon: i'm not using that one (using the one from amazon) [13:08] - I'm busy afraid [13:08] whos launching? [13:08] steve [13:08] jatkins, sure [13:08] let me investigate [13:09] thx [13:09] jcoxon: when are you launching? [13:09] not sure [13:09] been busy with the DL client recently [13:09] any idea what steve is flying? [13:10] yes dual payload [13:10] with cameras [13:10] nice, all his payloads? [13:10] yes [13:10] on http://spacenear.us/tracker/ [13:12] hey nice page [13:12] oh thats natriums? [13:12] yes [13:12] jatkins, the DLR-3 is just a voltage converter [13:12] that place looks familiar [13:14] jcoxon: ok [13:14] thx [13:14] from 2.7 v to rs-232? [13:14] yes [13:14] oh cool [13:14] e.g. http://www.kukkuk.dk/blog/2008/10/27/converting-a-nokia-dlr-3-data-cable-to-a-33v-jtag/ [13:14] i'll just do a voltage divider [13:15] thx for link [13:15] the connector on the cable would be a good way to connect to the phone [13:15] yeah [13:15] i used to remove the db-9 end [13:15] yeah [13:15] there's 3 wires inside [13:15] tx,rx,and gnd i guess [13:15] yup [13:16] gtg [13:16] good luck with the flight [13:16] cya [13:16] Laurenceb (n=laurence@host86-152-36-189.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:19] jcxon:so [13:19] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50c66a8ed622e3e6) joined #highaltitude. [13:19] 220 ohms [13:19] plus 47 ohms [13:19] for a voltage divider [13:19] I'm back! [13:19] jatkins, there are some calculators on line [13:19] (220 ohms / 267 ohms) * 3.3 = 2.719 [13:19] cuddykid, theyv'e had a little bit more of a delay [13:19] jatkins, oh is your arduino 3.3v? [13:20] yeah, arduino pro mini [13:20] oh right [13:20] then don't worry [13:20] it can tolerate 2.7/3.3 [13:20] oh ok [13:20] i thought you had a 5v arduino [13:20] i have got one,but not using for this flight [13:20] good move [13:20] 3.3v is much easier to work with [13:20] yeah ... for gps and logomatic etc. [13:21] so yeah you should be able to conect the phone directly [13:21] i'll have a go with the phone now and let you know when i get it working [13:21] yeah [13:21] great [13:21] thx for the help [13:21] np [13:21] hte launch will be cool if you are free this afternoon [13:22] yeah [13:22] i'll follow online [13:22] are you going to help launch it? [13:22] no i'm in london [13:22] what a great day for launch! [13:22] couldn't go up for this launch [13:22] oh right :) [13:22] yeah [13:22] will track from here + making sure everything works [13:22] cuddykid, yeah [13:22] yeah [13:22] perfect day [13:23] and good jetstream [13:23] no too strong [13:23] yeh [13:23] bbl [13:24] jatkins (n=jatkins@79-76-102-63.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Yummy, like ircing on a cake! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]" [13:24] g1zvn (n=zsirc@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [13:24] when do you reckon it will be launched? [13:24] hmmm 30mins [13:24] the cutdown fired on the ground [13:24] so needs to be replaced and the code checked [13:25] not good! Gives me time for lunch! [13:25] hehe [13:26] cuddykid, how did you find out about the launch? [13:26] cuddykid1 (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-127506e89853adee) joined #highaltitude. [13:26] jcoxon, I think zuesbot has stopped logging [13:26] cuddykid1 (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-127506e89853adee) left irc: Client Quit [13:26] hmmm [13:26] i fixed it a minute ago [13:26] thanks [13:28] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50c66a8ed622e3e6) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [13:35] edmoore? [13:35] he is at the launch [13:35] ok [13:36] right [13:36] launch coming up [13:36] do you know bill brown? [13:36] could you ask him to forward the email he sent about rockoons [13:36] i could email him [13:37] i've spoken to him online before and emailed him [13:37] please [13:37] looks like he was refused permission [13:38] rockoons - as in attempted orbital? [13:38] or just sub [13:38] there is a website about it g1zvn [13:38] he got special permission [13:38] as long as it was off the coast [13:38] used a barge [13:38] yes seen all his halo stuff [13:38] thats it [13:39] he hasn't tried since [13:39] its very impressive [13:39] but we can do better [13:39] hehe [13:39] I know a few ppl with boats [13:40] 'All I need is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by. Oh - and some helium' [13:44] i think a sea launch is the best best place for a rockoon [13:44] agreed [13:44] on the sahara [13:45] or launch from land and recover at sea [13:45] morroco [13:45] can you get He there? [13:46] probably but not cheaply [13:47] what are the rockoon aims? [13:47] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5a238ab864c2b9c2) joined #highaltitude. [13:49] get some experience is one aim [13:49] propellant? [13:50] solids to keep it simple [13:51] you know manufacturing solids is possibly illegal under the fireworks act? [13:51] At least - anything involving making the solid element [13:51] I wnat to start with an estes [13:51] Hi all, do we have an update on lauch time? [13:53] Action: SpeedEvil has orbital ambitions. [13:54] Though no actual plans over a few sheets of (virtual) A4. [13:54] cuddykid, no updates [13:54] but XABEN5 is online [13:54] so quite soon i expect [13:55] its a complicated payload [13:55] so quite a few things to set up [13:56] ok, cool [14:01] 2 mins [14:01] positioning for launch [14:02] here we go..! [14:07] ... [14:09] i've deleted the points on the ground [14:09] so if you refresh spacenear.us you'll get a better track [14:09] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5a238ab864c2b9c2) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [14:10] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-23027b42a8c76260) joined #highaltitude. [14:10] launched! [14:11] yup [14:11] just in time [14:18] going along nicely [14:21] yeah [14:25] what radios do you use? [14:26] i'm using a Yaesu FT-817 to receive [14:28] I am atempting my first flight in the summer and using maxsteam 2.4ghz modems! [14:28] ooo cool [14:28] cuddykid, where are you based? [14:29] worcester [14:29] oh right [14:29] what sort of power are you thinking? [14:30] using 8 AA lithiums to power radio [14:30] oh i mean the output power on the modems [14:31] oh! 100mW I think [14:31] using some high gain antennas i hope to get around 20mile range if lucky! [14:32] why the 2.4ghz modems? [14:32] there are better options :-) [14:32] i will also use gsm transmitter as backup [14:32] I don't know, good question! [14:32] e.g [14:32] right now we are using 10mW 434 transmitters [14:32] and i'm picking it up in london [14:33] oh, a lot more powerful:/! [14:33] wow [14:33] where did you get those from? [14:33] radiometrix [14:33] ok [14:36] oh7lzb (i=5391fca2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e8eabcb8bb276199) joined #highaltitude. [14:37] can someone work out the ascent rate [14:38] oh7lzb (i=5391fca2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e8eabcb8bb276199) left irc: Client Quit [14:40] g1zvn (n=zsirc@general-ld-216.t-mobile.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:41] mib_qvrkbb (i=54ffcb52@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05911daf70d6dcdc) joined #highaltitude. [14:42] mib_qvrkbb (i=54ffcb52@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05911daf70d6dcdc) left irc: Client Quit [14:44] getting good data :-D [14:45] yeh, are you the one updating the map with the data you are receiving? [14:48] yes, a number of us are [14:48] the system is nearly automated [14:48] just occasioanlly get rogue data [14:48] which gives weird points [15:12] jatkins (n=jatkins@79-76-102-63.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #highaltitude. [15:23] 10km! [15:23] very slow ascent rate [15:23] about 2.3m/s [15:23] still ascending? [15:24] did it launch after 12 then? [15:24] it launched at 15.10 :-) [15:24] ah:) [15:25] jcoxon: i tried with the phone [15:25] no luck [15:25] i tried both 19200 bps and 300 bps on every wire [15:25] (there were 9 wires) [15:25] (unlike another dlr-3 i had with just 3 wires) [15:26] http://moo.pl/~tygrys/balloon/ says 6310 works at 300 bps; with the db-9 on, my 6210 operated at 19200 [15:29] what is the max altitude you are predicting? 30km? [15:29] yup [15:30] i need to add some more data checking to stop the ridiculous rogue points [15:30] do you think you will need to use cutdown as the ocean is getting ever closer!! [15:30] its a worry [15:30] the ascent rate is lower then planned [15:30] its hard to judge on the ground [15:31] but after 3hours it'll cutdown [15:31] so we might be okay [15:31] yeh, hopefully [15:37] ping natrium42 [15:40] hey [15:41] you busy? [15:41] could you delete some rogue points? [15:41] on spacenear.us [15:42] sure [15:42] thanks :-) [15:42] its a bit of a mess [15:42] need more checks on the client [15:47] ok, fixed [15:47] thanks [15:47] np [15:47] Action: natrium42 is also watching shuttle landing coverage [15:48] ~50 minutes till touchdown of the shuttle [15:48] Is it going at 18 times the speed of light now? [15:48] mach 18, i think [15:48] so it'll be where - about at entry interface or a bit beyond [15:48] lol, does CNN say that again? [15:48] just after entry interface i think [15:48] I imagine not [15:49] they said a few minutes ago it was just about to enter [15:49] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-23027b42a8c76260) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [15:49] jcoxon: should i try with the voltage divider instead of just directly connecting the arduino to the phone? [15:50] jatkins, i think the key is identifiying the right wires [15:50] i've tried all of them without a voltage divider [15:51] so you've got a cable and its got 9 wires? [15:51] i had another dlr-3p, it had only three wires - blue, white, and black. i assume black is always gnd [15:51] yeah [15:51] well we can work it out [15:51] multimeter? [15:51] blue,white,orange,yellow,green,red, and black [15:51] yup [15:51] whats the phone? [15:51] nokia6210 [15:51] 2.7v vcc [15:52] http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_5110_6110_pinout.shtml [15:52] thx [15:52] i've seen that page before..it doesn't tell you the pinout for the cable though [15:53] black is definitely gnd though [15:53] i've tested it [15:57] okay, the white wire is showing up as +2.7v [15:57] when i use the black wire as ground [15:58] jatkins, what you want to do [15:59] is see if there is connection between each wire and the pins [15:59] as we know the pinout we can work out which wire is which [15:59] ok [15:59] so the black wire is pin 9 [16:00] the white wire could be pin 4 (dlr vcc according to pinout) [16:00] ..apparently pin 4 is also signal gnd [16:00] so i've probably being using the wrong gnd [16:01] yo [16:01] it's ed [16:01] jatkins, coult be that [16:01] hey ed [16:01] jcoxon:i'll try using that as gnd [16:01] rharrison_eee, reckon cutdown in 10 mins [16:01] really?? [16:01] 3 hour mark is at 16.10 [16:02] gmt bst [16:02] 1hr 10 mins [16:02] bst [16:02] oh [16:02] oops [16:02] SpeedEvil: my bad, apparently just coming up to entry interface [16:03] it's just breaking out of the js [16:05] yeah [16:06] natrium42 has cleaned up spacenear.us [16:08] rharrison_eee, its cool seeing hte position of the chase car [16:10] it saved us [16:10] we think we'll overtake it pretty soon [16:11] it's about to start doing a lot of vertical [16:13] is this logged with the dl fldigi? [16:14] yup [16:15] hence the rogue points :-) [16:15] hehe, but very cool still [16:16] jcoxon, where are you seeing the chase car? [16:17] http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/ [16:17] ah, gotcha [16:18] they are following pretty well [16:18] :) [16:18] might be able to seee the landing, eh? [16:18] 10 quid, if they catch it before it hits the ground :) [16:19] natrium42, we need to add receiver stations and chase cars to spacenear [16:19] :-) [16:19] http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p] [16:19] oops [16:19] http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p [16:19] yeah [16:25] Futurity (n=bill@cpc1-cmbg15-2-0-cust43.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude. [16:26] Hi Everyine [16:26] couldn't have asked for better weather for the launch [16:28] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7100f6a8e0f2490b) joined #highaltitude. [16:29] hi Futurity [16:29] it's ed [16:30] Futurity: http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/ [16:31] hi ed [16:31] you on IRC in the car [16:31] or back in Cambridge> [16:32] the car [16:32] it still seems to be climbimg even though it's past Thetford [16:33] yeah its still going up [16:33] impressed how close you are to it [16:33] looks like the direction is moving around a fair bit in the last few minutes [16:34] it does that [16:34] tenner if you catch it before it hits the ground [16:34] it's breaking out of the wind and will start going almost completely vertically now [16:35] shuttle nearly home http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ [16:36] three minutes till touchdown [16:37] oooo cross over [16:37] near miss ;) [16:39] Is htere a cutdown on this? [16:39] Hiena (n=Hiena@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:41] SpeedEvil, yes [16:41] Balloon heading south [16:41] tracking party heading north [16:41] congradulations Atlantis! [16:42] yup [16:42] awesome mission [16:45] Ed you still here? [16:45] oops getting messy [16:46] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7100f6a8e0f2490b) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [16:46] they are going cross country now :) [16:47] Ed can you ask Steve if he knew of Bill Condliffe? [16:47] willdo in a bit - he is in a seperate car [16:48] ok [16:48] I inherited his rig [16:49] Futurity, do you know his callsign? [16:49] often thats how people know each other [16:49] interesting, the radio has nicely stablised for me [16:51] cutdown in maybe 20 mins [16:51] yup [16:51] hi james [16:51] just pulled over [16:51] hey [16:52] hows the client? [16:52] any prediction on the landing site? [16:55] Hiena (n=Hiena@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude. [16:55] Futurity, perhaps north of beccles [16:55] borism (n=boris@195-50-204-149-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) joined #highaltitude. [16:56] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8d6e75478ea6fd4c) joined #highaltitude. [16:58] jcoxon: i've tried all the wires with white as gnd, still not working (300 bps) [16:58] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8d6e75478ea6fd4c) left irc: Client Quit [16:59] jatkins, on your multimeter [16:59] is there an image of a diode? [16:59] oh [16:59] yeah [16:59] okay you can use that to check which pins correspond to which wires [16:59] find gnd, tx and rx [16:59] don't worry about the rest [16:59] ok [17:00] what will show up when it's tx? [17:00] well basically with that it'll show you if there is a connection between the 2 points [17:00] test it on something [17:01] ok [17:01] like a bit of metal [17:01] ok [17:02] just 0.00 on a piece of wire [17:02] and on something no conductive? [17:02] non* [17:03] ok [17:03] like the air? [17:03] 1 [17:03] okay cool [17:03] so now you can touch one of the wires [17:03] and work out which pin it connects to [17:03] ok [17:05] 715 between black and blue [17:05] hmmm i mean the pins on the connector [17:05] oh right [17:05] sorry :) [17:05] so the black wire leads to pin 9 :-) [17:05] no worries [17:06] 5 mins till cutdown... [17:07] 342 between pins 4 and 9 [17:07] hehe [17:08] so whats the value between the end of the black wire and the pin on the connector that connects to the base of the phone? [17:09] which pin is the base one? [17:09] so you have the cable [17:09] yeah [17:09] and at one end is a db9? [17:09] or have you removed that? [17:09] i've removed it [17:09] i can put it back on [17:10] no no [17:10] at the other end you have a small connector with 9 little pins [17:10] yeah [17:10] you can use a soundcard and a 20:1 attenuator as a scope for 232 [17:11] so the wires you've exposed by cutting off the db-9 lead to those pins [17:11] yeah [17:11] so if you touch pin 9 on the little connector with the exposed wires [17:11] looks like cutoff occurred [17:11] you can work out which leads to which [17:11] on cue [17:11] coming down now [17:11] :) [17:11] natrium42, yup [17:11] well there's 7 wires [17:11] nine pins on the phone [17:11] but the connector only connects to seven [17:12] the first two are for the charger [17:12] mib_4ot9ix (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9a2cb806a7499ef0) joined #highaltitude. [17:12] $$XABEN6,707,16:10:15,52.46293,0.97962,27602,0.0,0.0,,,,,52.52748;1.23708 [17:12] $$XKBEN6,708,16:10:35,52.46212,0.97991,27658,0/0,0.0,,,,,Pyro2 Reason 1 [17:12] $$XABEN6,709,16:10:55,52.46146,0.98012,27158,0.0,0.0,,,,,Descending [17:17] its spinning quite a bit [17:17] xaben6 died? [17:18] ah, there it is [17:18] im providing xaben6 data [17:18] its beginning to push my range [17:18] with its wobbling as well [17:18] gotcha [17:18] they are still attached though [17:18] so eaither will do [17:19] its descending incredibly fast [17:20] is there a secondary chute going to be deployed? [17:20] DanielRichman (n=DanielRi@78.146.249.94) joined #highaltitude. [17:21] the orignal plan was for xaben5 to cut away from xaben6 [17:21] How did the launch go? [17:21] but we didn't reach the cutdown alt and instead reached teh 3hr mark [17:21] DanielRichman, just on the descent [17:21] Wow, still up? [17:22] yup [17:22] what parachutes are you using? [17:22] jcoxon, time stamps seem to be a bit messed up [17:23] even going in the right direction. 10m/s or so down [17:24] so 20 mins? [17:25] natrium42, which payload? [17:25] xaben6 [17:25] oh i'm not getting clear copies [17:25] kk [17:25] i'm to far away [17:26] so time stamps are sent from payload? [17:26] yup [17:26] make that a bit faster - maybe 15m/s [17:28] remind me how high up the jetstream is? [17:29] 9000m [17:29] so that balloon is no where near it. Going quite fast though [17:30] and you appear to have no xaben6 points? is only one person listening? [17:30] now only 1 is [17:30] i'm not getting good enough copies [17:30] ahh [17:30] its a bit of a push from london :-) [17:30] when it descends it swings around which makes it harder [17:31] hmm [17:31] not sure why steve isn't logging [17:31] does he have an internet connection? [17:31] he is probably on the move [17:32] its okay - 1 good listener is fine [17:32] yeah [17:32] it's going to come down very soon by the looks of thigns [17:32] Ouch. That map sure makes firefox work [17:33] its happy on my firefox [17:33] okay, 1min - bets for landing coords [17:33] It's perfectly fine on mine too. Just using twice as much RAM as it usally does [17:33] there are a lot of points [17:33] are you using spacenear.us? [17:33] yeah. [17:34] Action: DanielRichman uses firebug to delete the mibbit box and make the map twice as big [17:34] better ;) [17:34] http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/ [17:34] oooo rob and ed are on the move [17:34] tasburgh [17:34] jatkins (n=jatkins@79-76-102-63.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Bersirc 2.2, for external use only. [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]" [17:35] actually - nowhere near that far [17:35] DanielRichman, you can also follow in google earth --> http://spacenear.us/tracker/track.kml [17:35] its going to be a fairly hard landing! [17:35] flordon [17:35] natrium42, haven't got it installed [17:35] pfft [17:36] jcoxon, really bad things have happened on robertharrison.org for xaben6 [17:36] my prediction - lat=52.5092359729, lon=1.22998488253 [17:36] DanielRichman, oh we know [17:36] what went wrong? or don't you know [17:36] foncet st mary looks about right [17:36] oh i know [17:36] rogue chars get through [17:36] natrium42 fixes them on spacenear.us [17:37] we haven't finished implmenting the checking rules on hte client [17:37] ahh [17:37] is natrium42 on spacenear.us pulling from robertharrison.org? or do the clients push to both [17:37] robertharrison pushes to spacenear [17:37] spacenear is the front for all this [17:38] robertharrison is the experiemental bit [17:38] e.g. with the chase car tracking [17:38] ahh [17:38] looks like 1090m is as good as it gets [17:38] and all the server side is just a bunch of php scripts? [17:39] How are the chase-car points being uploaded? [17:39] 'just' :-D [17:39] 234m! [17:39] almost [17:39] chase car are via gps and posting to teh server [17:39] but we are going to intergrate that into the dl-client [17:40] posting over a 3g dongle? [17:40] yup [17:40] three cheers! [17:40] ah. Can't they upload the radio that they receive in the chase car? [17:40] they are as well [17:40] 3 is providing the data of 1 [17:40] i provided teh data for 2 [17:41] has it landed? [17:41] yes [17:41] fantastic [17:41] it's been a really cool day [17:42] :-) [17:42] what was the last alt? [17:42] Futurity, have you been at the launch? [17:42] yep [17:42] took some photos for Steve [17:42] just got to eat some food on the table [17:42] cool [17:42] back after that [17:42] very fun day [17:43] now we can watch rjharrison drive up to the payload live [17:43] :) [17:43] with luck [17:43] nice day for it [17:43] It looks lovely and clear on google-maps. [17:45] how do we watch rjharrison drive up to payload live? [17:46] very close to where HAPS-1 landed [17:46] mib_4ot9ix, are you coming through spacenear.us? [17:46] yes [17:46] http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/ [17:46] its the experiemental version [17:46] great, thanks [17:46] a bit messy [17:46] mib_4ot9ix: the position for the payload should pop back up [17:46] but has the car tracking [17:46] mib_4ot9ix, also /nick xxxxxx [17:46] at about 30m [17:46] if you want to change your nick [17:47] (at) [17:47] there it is [17:47] woo! [17:47] :) [17:48] jcoxon, just a heads up, I had trouble using it if I accessed the tracker via the url http://robertharrison.org/tracker/ (but with www. it was fine). Might have just been flukey [17:48] jammy git [17:48] landed just on edge of road [17:48] yeah [17:48] so lucky [17:48] :) [17:48] DanielRichman, we don't really want people on robertharrison [17:48] as long as it doesn't get crushed by a car [17:48] the plan is to direct to spacenear.us [17:48] yeah [17:49] easiest recovery ever? [17:49] cusf watched one of theirs land [17:49] awesome [17:50] hard work to get it all integrated so it's that easy though [17:50] so dl-fldigi feature requests? [17:50] better checking to avoid dodgey points [17:50] intergrated car tracking - as its very cool [17:51] mib_4ot9ix (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9a2cb806a7499ef0) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [17:51] did XABEN have any ECC ? [17:51] or checksums [17:51] no [17:52] You could try and detect in the client if a stop or start bit was flipped - because that could mess a whole lot of stuff up. [17:53] Then perhaps if you have a checksum you could (having found it invalid) try and deduce which bits were wrong automatically (like if something was meant to be a number, and flipping the right bit corrects the checksum and produces a sane value)... [17:54] it's easier to use one of the 'proper' algorithms for this [17:54] true [17:54] could grab some parity or something [17:55] back [17:55] :) [17:55] has the payload been found yet? [17:55] not yet [17:55] they are 30m or so from it [17:55] has rob and co got to the rough landing site? [17:55] that's the car, probably [17:55] yeah - they pulled to the side of the roaad [17:56] then the GPS is just splattering [17:56] they should carry the gps with them! [17:56] and the laptop! [17:56] also live video please [17:56] and the car [17:56] they should be doing it by helicopter [17:57] natrium42: that's such a good idea [17:57] we can also shout, left a bit, right a bit etc ;) [17:57] haha [17:57] need a webcam strapped to a headband [17:57] It's a damn shame google maps isn't live [17:58] i know [17:58] what are Google playing at [17:58] To be fair, google have enough privacy problems with streetview [17:58] yeah [17:58] doing crazy street map when they should be concentrating on live satellite view ;) [17:58] live satellite pics of everywhere would create one heck of a problem [17:58] true [17:59] As well as being ridiculously expensive [17:59] but optical balloon tracking would be fun [17:59] Action: SpeedEvil has nebulous plans to do openstreetview [17:59] need to put some servos and a telescope attached to a camera on the balloon [17:59] at least of his local town [18:00] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88bd73e9cebad4d1) joined #highaltitude. [18:01] they can see the payload [18:01] jsut waiting for steve to get there [18:01] Hi All, i see it has landed! Congradulations! [18:02] was a good flight [18:02] fantastic [18:02] shame that the actually mission profile didn't occur [18:02] as xaben5 was meant to cut away from xaben6 [18:02] so we would have had to track 2 paylaods down [18:02] jcoxon: was the intended hight reached? [18:02] oh the spaceman didn't release? [18:02] no [18:03] spaceman? [18:03] 2nd payload [18:03] spaceman in a BBC spacesuit [18:03] very cute [18:03] my boys loved it [18:03] haha [18:03] nice [18:04] we've been singing the prodigy song all day [18:04] "we're going to send him to outerspace, to find a better place!" [18:04] In Norfolk [18:04] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88bd73e9cebad4d1) left irc: Client Quit [18:04] okay all [18:05] raw raw data can be found here: [18:05] http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php [18:05] how long will it be up there for? [18:05] a couple of days [18:05] but we'll keep a copy as well [18:05] Rob wins the competition on number of lines submitted [18:05] http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/loggers.php [18:05] at 512 [18:07] bbl [18:07] jcoxon (n=jcoxon@host86-163-199-83.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:07] guys i need to go unfortunately [18:07] but thanks for such a fun day [18:07] see you [18:07] if anyone has a launch, please let me know and I'd be glad to help out [18:33] Hey guys [18:33] What happened today? [18:34] cuddykid (i=540d179c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8e46fb3bf0fbc571) joined #highaltitude. 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Hippit égettéll?=-" [21:30] Simon-MPFH (n=simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:41] Xenion (n=robert@p579FCDE1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [21:58] pics plz [21:58] kthxbai [22:12] Futurity (n=bill@cpc1-cmbg15-2-0-cust43.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] G8KHW (n=Steve@217.47.75.8) joined #highaltitude. [22:21] Nick change: G8KHW -> G8KHW_Away [22:47] DanielRichman (n=DanielRi@78.146.249.94) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] G8KHW (n=Steve@217.47.75.8) joined #highaltitude. [22:50] Nick change: G8KHW -> G8KHW_Away2 [22:57] mc_- (n=zsirc@general-kt-199.t-mobile.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [23:07] akawaka (n=akawaka@66-214-82-133.dhcp.malb.ca.charter.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:22] yo mc_- [23:22] any mail? [23:27] jcoxon (n=jcoxon@host86-163-199-83.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:27] Laurenceb (n=laurence@host86-152-36-189.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [23:28] evening all [23:28] hi [23:28] any news? [23:30] i need teh pix [23:31] it landed in a nudist beach? [23:31] oh no I see [23:31] a bit close to the coast [23:32] landed right on the edge of the road [23:32] edmoore (n=ed@pomegranate.chu.cam.ac.uk) left irc: [23:32] I saw no actual mention of them getting it [23:32] its been recovered [23:32] but the tracker had them going to 30m of the gps position of the still transmitting sat, so I can't imagine they diddn't [23:33] last time i spoke to rob/ed they were looking at it waiting for steve [23:33] mc_- (n=zsirc@general-kt-199.t-mobile.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:36] Action: SpeedEvil imagines them still standing in a field, shivering gently. [23:41] it was a good launch [23:46] ukhasas a group has now done 32 launches [23:52] hmmmm was going to email W0RPK to add ukhas to the list [23:52] with 32 but i see that CUSF are already included [23:54] which is a shame [23:55] as we'll now be 11th rather then 9th [23:55] oh well [23:55] :-) [23:55] night all [23:55] jcoxon (n=jcoxon@host86-163-199-83.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:57] G8KHW_Away (n=Steve@217.47.75.8) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:00] --- Mon May 25 2009