[00:00] why is it always this time in the evening i find myself trying to recompile gcc :) [00:05] how do I curl the contents of a folder [00:06] fnoble: why are you doing that now? [00:08] want proper gnu gcc to do some OS stuff with [00:08] rather than crappy xcode gcc [00:09] well actually, more specifically, I need the gnu ld, as the xcode one doesnt support linker scripts or ELF output [00:10] whats curl? [00:11] wget [00:11] but newer [00:12] fnoble: you just need to compile binutils then, right? [00:12] i dont know if xcode gcc is compatable with non xcode binutis [00:13] so i just got the whole macports i386-elf toolchain [00:48] edmoore (n=edmoore@ADijon-257-1-159-128.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [02:41] fnoble (n=fnoble@88-105-61-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: [03:49] akawaka (n=akawaka@external.treyarch.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:30] akawaka (n=akawaka@cpe-76-173-152-142.socal.res.rr.com) joined #highaltitude. [08:27] awesome [08:27] just finished adding an ir sensor to my lcd monitor so i can access all the button functions with a remote control [08:28] thats probably the most complex electronics project i've ever tried without any external guide [08:38] edmoore (n=edmoore@ADijon-257-1-159-128.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #highaltitude. [09:05] akawaka (n=akawaka@cpe-76-173-152-142.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] Nick change: Laurenceb_away -> Laurenceb [09:21] jcoxon (n=jcoxon@host86-144-103-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude. [09:29] jcoxon: are you there? [09:29] please say yes [09:29] :) [09:35] yes [09:35] but [09:35] cool [09:35] i have to go [09:35] in 15mins [09:35] one sec q [09:35] what's the name of the radio we use? [09:35] the yeasu [09:36] ft-790R [09:36] ty [09:36] ok bbl [09:36] haha [09:36] cya [09:45] bye [09:45] edmoore: I've been using an icom [09:46] pcr-1000 [10:03] flowolf (n=flowolf@unaffiliated/flowolf) joined #highaltitude. [10:24] borism_ (n=boris@88-196-197-224-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [10:28] borism (n=boris@88-196-197-224-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) joined #highaltitude. [10:59] borism_ (n=boris@88-196-197-224-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) joined #highaltitude. [11:04] borism (n=boris@88-196-197-224-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:17] borism_ (n=boris@88-196-197-224-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) left irc: Client Quit [11:25] borism (n=boris@88-196-197-224-dsl.krw.estpak.ee) joined #highaltitude. [13:17] Ebola (n=Ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) joined #highaltitude. 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[16:37] what kind of advice? [16:38] well what pins need to be connected to actually get it to turn on? [16:39] VSS and VDD [16:39] got them [16:39] PICs ?! blerg [16:39] haha, its a rocketboy radio PIC [16:39] pics rock [16:39] ah cool [16:39] so its already programmed [16:39] do you need HV to program a PIC? [16:39] am just wiring it up [16:39] I see [16:40] i've got all the connections between the radio and the PIC [16:40] but i'm not sure what else is needed [16:40] do i need to tie the reset line somewhere? [16:40] crystal? [16:40] i've got an external one [16:40] 3.686 [16:40] cool, and caps? [16:40] 2 pins [16:41] does that literally go between OSC1 and OSC2? [16:41] you'll need caps to gnd off those pins as well [16:41] but the crystal goes inbetween [16:41] 22pf caps [16:42] microchip have a good doc on osc setup [16:42] got 2 of the 22pf caps [16:42] do you need an external osc? [16:42] your ready to go then :P [16:42] rocketboy sent me one [16:42] Laurenceb, so do they go between each pin and gnd? [16:42] yes [16:43] and you might need to tie reset to vcc if its anything like AVR [16:43] depends on how the config flags are set [16:44] I only ever use AVR [16:44] i hadn't noticed:) [16:44] AVR > PIC [16:44] been meaning to try avr, all their good stuff seems to be smd though [16:44] smd isnt too bad, boards are [16:45] but you can get smd mega168 and mega32 [16:45] you haven't seen my soldering [16:45] they are some of the nicest [16:45] lol [16:45] s/smd/DIP [16:45] i ain't no college edumacated solderist [16:46] do the avrs have a similiar serial programming interface to the pics? [16:46] they have spi programming [16:48] lots of cheap programmers, you can just use a parallel port if your a cheapskate [16:49] right i've grounded the xtal with the caps [16:49] i'll make a programmer with a pic [16:49] muhahaha! [16:49] might be tricky [16:50] the programming protocol is fairly complex IIRC [16:50] if you use an AVR to make the programmer theres code out there to do it [16:50] but how do you program your first avr? :P [16:51] chicken or the egg [16:51] you use the parallel port [16:51] it's trivial [16:51] about 3 components [16:51] exactly [16:51] sooooooo [16:51] what I was leading up to :D [16:52] do i tie the reset to +ve or gnd? [16:52] is it a reset or a /reset ? [16:53] ummmm [16:54] /reset [16:54] do you have the source code? [16:55] flowolf (n=flowolf@unaffiliated/flowolf) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:55] jcoxon: what yo makin'? [16:55] a rocketboy radio modem [16:55] i have the bits [16:55] ooh nice [16:55] and a bit of a circuit [16:55] but am a little confused [16:55] on perfboard? [16:55] my breadboard right now [16:56] cool, reset is pulled high btw [16:56] is there a way of seeing if the pic is working? [16:56] its preprogrammed by rocketboy [16:57] no pin that goes high on start up? [16:57] erm, depends on the code thats in it [16:57] check the led pin [16:57] if its programmed to flash an LED or something then [16:57] yeah, just connect that up first [16:57] theres an led on one of the pins in his design [16:57] yeah [16:57] but i'm not sure what pin thats on [16:58] its not in the diagram he gave me [16:58] check the radio enable line [16:58] should only need power, crystal, and reset pulled high to work [16:58] and decoupling caps on the supply [16:59] so i've got 3.3v, a crytal with caps gnd the pins, reset is high [16:59] need to stick decoupling caps [16:59] between +ve off my reg and VDD? [17:01] yeah [17:02] as close as possible to the power pins on the PIC [17:04] pics have vdd and vss next to each other [17:04] so you can just stick the decoupling caps across [17:04] most micros do for that very reason, infact [17:04] anyone got any idea whats going on here: RCPT TO failed: Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable [17:05] my email client keeps giving me that error when I send recieve [17:06] PICs are quite tough, if i screw up it should survive? [17:07] yeah, should be ok [17:07] good good :-) [17:07] right i've taken the radio off [17:07] and stuck and led on the radio enable line [17:09] it should light for a couple of seconds [17:12] hmmm nope [17:12] power off [17:12] the LED is the right way round? [17:12] :-p [17:13] Laurenceb: do you have a good way of remembering the transformation of speeds formulae in special relativity? [17:13] sorry, OT I know [17:13] well... I just remeber it :P [17:14] i can never remember which is the speed goes where [17:14] if you understand whats going on, then its obvious, seriously, there not much to in physics you have to remember like that [17:15] maybe some of the qm thats really weird [17:15] crap i hope i haven't broken it [17:15] no magic smoke has escaped :-p [17:15] check all the wiring carefully [17:15] then go for a walk [17:15] then check it again [17:15] :D [17:15] check there is power on the pins [17:16] akawaka (n=akawaka@cpe-76-173-152-142.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] there is power on the pins [17:18] might be the crystal [17:18] an avr will work on breadboard with 22pf, but the tracks are 15pf [17:19] so you have 37pf or so in effect [17:24] how do I investigate processor use on linux? [17:24] top? [17:25] ah [17:25] arrrgggg [17:25] lol, thats why my fan is going mad [17:27] flowolf (n=flowolf@unaffiliated/flowolf) joined #highaltitude. [17:32] mc- (n=mfcastle@cpc4-glfd1-0-0-cust538.glfd.cable.ntl.com) joined #highaltitude. [17:32] hello mc- [17:33] hi LB [17:33] whats happening with the gps? [17:33] the GPS modules you want are out of stock, but I have some others on order [17:34] the ones I was interested it? [17:34] uses the same chipset but without the antenna [17:35] so the little modules or what? [17:35] yes [17:35] are those larger active antenna in stock? [17:35] Don't know [17:35] I'd buy one of them [17:35] the small ones should be in soon [17:35] how long do you think? [17:35] order has gone off now [17:36] what for? [17:36] got my radio transmitter bits today [17:36] cool [17:41] mc- (n=mfcastle@cpc4-glfd1-0-0-cust538.glfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: [17:48] jcoxon: any luck? [17:59] flowolf (n=flowolf@unaffiliated/flowolf) left irc: "Leaving" [18:09] flowolf (n=flowolf@unaffiliated/flowolf) joined #highaltitude. [18:25] jcoxon (n=jcoxon@host86-144-103-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:26] akawaka (n=akawaka@external.treyarch.com) joined #highaltitude. [19:00] Ebola (n=Ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:01] Ebola (n=Ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) joined #highaltitude. [19:36] phatmonkey (n=ben@81.2.121.150) joined #highaltitude. [19:48] Hiena (n=Hiena@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude. [19:48] Good evening! [19:49] hello [19:52] flowolf (n=flowolf@unaffiliated/flowolf) left irc: "Leaving" [20:23] Simon-MPFH (n=simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] phatmonkey (n=ben@81.2.121.150) left irc: [20:29] Simon-MPFH (n=simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude. [20:29] phatmonkey (n=ben@81.2.121.150) joined #highaltitude. [20:31] phatmonkey (n=ben@81.2.121.150) left irc: Client Quit [20:50] phatmonkey (n=ben@81.2.121.150) joined #highaltitude. [21:09] Simon-MPFH (n=simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:21] Hiena (n=Hiena@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: "-=Alkoholmentes-sör és repülőgép-szimulátor, biztos út a guminő felé=-" [22:25] phatmonkey (n=ben@81.2.121.150) left irc: [22:28] RocketBoy (n=grunge@217.47.75.27) joined #highaltitude. [22:33] flowolf (n=flowolf@unaffiliated/flowolf) joined #highaltitude. [22:59] hi folks [23:02] hello [23:03] I've got evolution working on my laptop :P [23:04] just need java and google earth functioning now [23:25] MeTa (n=avr@3e70d12b.adsl.enternet.hu) joined #highaltitude. [23:27] I'm going down to sstl soon :P Do you folks think I should wear a smart suit for the interview? [23:28] sstl? [23:30] http://www.sstl.co.uk/ [23:33] MeTa[AwAy] (n=avr@3e70d12b.adsl.enternet.hu) joined #highaltitude. [23:34] I mean ordinarily I would, but I'm not sure if its a bit of an overkill... 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